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>www.rte.ie/news/clarity/< Fact checking from RTE! Would you accept their bias on issues?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭talla10


    Is this the same type of evidence which proved the earth is flat or vaccinations kill people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,083 ✭✭✭prunudo


    People are more than welcome to believe everything RTE parrot, I won't be one of them, and given the amount of misinformation they themselves have spread over the years, I won't be paying much attention to their idea of Clarity.

    As for the attempts to mock, water off a ducks back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    As I have asked others:

    What is the evidence that they are a 'mouthpiece for the government' and that they are 'bought and paid for'?

    I'd also like some evidence of 'clear agenda driven pieces' by AFP and Reuters that have been rehashed by RTE as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    This "Clarity" mark seems a little like CNN's "Facts First" campaign.

    That didn't last long…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    Looks like Gript is eager to have a voice on it, dragging in #Adolescence and Upfront mentions!

    I do not propose, in this article, to go through a lengthy list of incidents over the years where RTE has been guilty of providing the Irish public with something less than a fully rounded and thoroughly researched version of the truth, but suffice to say that if I was the organisation behind Mission to Prey, then I would be more hesitant to proclaim myself the final arbiter of fake versus real news. We all get it wrong sometimes.

    ….

    If “fake news” is simply people wishing narratives into existence, then RTE is Ireland’s single greatest producer of the stuff. And now it wants to police it.

    It is, as Sarah says on this week’s podcast, the equivalent of Mike Tyson setting up a commission against violence to women.

    Yes, I am aware of posters dislike for that site.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    To have a neck thick enough like John McGuirk to lecture anyone on producing fake news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Frost Spice


    I'm not trying to mock you at all but I think that you're viewing RTÉ's bias as way bigger than it is. Content that one doesn't like isn't the same as bias. That's actually the viewer's bias in action. Now I'm not saying RTÉ is perfect - or completely lacking bias - but I don't think it's anything like the level you and others claim.

    I'm mint.

    🇺🇦



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,848 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Sorry, but when you start a thread complaining about possible bias in RTE and then reference some nonsense from grift your point losses absolutely all credibility!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    Got worried their for a second with a mod post in thread!

    Didn't actually complain about the bias! I asked a question?

    Yes I believe RTE has a bias view, same as most mainstream media inclusive of likes of the BBC.

    https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/news/bbc-under-scrutiny-heres-what-research-tells-about-its-role-uk ~~ Update 2023!

    I actually posted the below, so I am not trying to prove or not if they have a bias.

    Even if RTE have a bias (for political or advertisement purposes) they still rank high as a trusted source!

    Just shared another viewpoint (I know questionable source) but posted it anyway.

    Just because RTE/BBC are highly trusted sources, doesn't mean they don't have a perceived bias by the viewing public!

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    "a perceived bias"

    By who? A few cranks who only want to hear their own views aired and anything else is unacceptable?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,181 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    Content that one doesn't like isn't the same as bias. That's actually the viewer's bias in action

    It's a bit like supporters at a sports event.

    They all think the ref favours the other team more than theirs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    My main point of using the Journal FactCheck as a comparison, it declares to be independent, where RTE is not!

    https://www.factchecking.ie/about

    The Journal. For over a decade, we have strived to be an independent and objective source of information in an online world that is full of noise and diversions.

    1 Free of political, commercial or ideological influence

    2 Committed to the discovery and distribution of quality, trustworthy information

    3 Empathetic to the processes by which online users make informed decisions

    4 Transparent and generous about how we go about our work to meet these commitments

    Can RTE claim any of the above about there new stream of content, which as I said is another way to just categorize their own articles?

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    Irish Times article today on it!

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-style/people/2025/04/05/rte-news-boss-deirdre-mccarthy-tackling-disinformation-has-to-be-much-more-of-a-focus-now/

    “Yes. Or you will hear that we’re a mouthpiece for the State, or that we’re only representing a certain view. But I think it’s up to us to push back on all the things that legacy media are accused of and tackle this head on.”

    Even when mentioning the above, she doesn't counter the point!

    Also are they aware of the Gript article linked earlier where this point was raised?

    McCarthy says RTÉ’s reporting is driven by the public interest and “that can, at times, mean you’re going against legal advice”. But lessons were learned from the Prime Time Investigates defamation of Fr Kevin Reynolds in 2011, with “a very robust editorial chain of command” put in place.

    Other things in the works by RTE:-

    It’s poised to be a busy 2025. The arrival of Clarity will be followed in the autumn by the long-trailed introduction of a new RTÉ News app, another element of Bakhurst’s strategic plan. Between now and then, it will introduce a news podcast called Behind the Story presented by David McCullagh, Katie Hannon and Fran McNulty, the trio who hosted election podcast Behind the Ballot.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    If an American website I've never heard of say RTE is unbiased, then I suppose I'll just take that as gospel then /S.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    They have a bias against anyone who is right leaning but in fairness so has VM1, Newstalk and Today FM.

    I despise all of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,833 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Narrator: "migration was in fact not high up in the issues for voters in same election"

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Frost Spice Content that one doesn't like isn't the same as bias. That's actually the viewer's bias in action.

    Onesides view on a subject has been brought up a few times on thread.

    Her is a prime example of that in action.

    Prenote:- 54 year old male not a parent, I have always believed abortion to be wrong but would be pro-choice in my views.

    I framed the opening title on this thread on purpose, by asking a controversial question in it, I was hoping the thread would get more traction than just this as a title:- www.rte.ie/news/clarity/< Fact checking from RTE!

    Now on the use of the word 'BIAS', I know it has negative connotations so I found the below on a two year old reddit post.

    • Note - I'm assuming biased here doesn't mean bad faith or dishonest. I believe you can argue firmly for something in a biased but honest and fair way.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You've pushed articles by Gript (a publication with a known bias), followed up with a quote from the Irish Times and linking back to the same Gript article written by a known liar with a known agenda - and now you're pushing an article from the Pro Life Campaign.

    Forgive me if I'm skeptical of you 'just asking questions'.

    I can see right through you. I know exactly you're doing and so do you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    @For Petes Sake I can see right through you. I know exactly <what> you're doing and so do you.

    Please do explain what you think, I am doing? It looks like your accusing me of some kind of agenda! If that is the case, there is flag button on post's. Instead of taking pot shots at me, maybe backup your own posts or point of view!

    Accounts posted that people only see BIAS from viewpoint of one side only of argument, I gave an example of that in action.

    Do I have to put up another disclaimer again. Other's claimed I had an agenda posting about a certain platform. I have shared articles that discuss the different side of topics on RTE fact checking.

    Already stated that I believe RTE have a bias, and that I wasn't out to prove one way or the other if they have or not!

    Edit: - So that is what a moderation option does to posts on here!

    Post edited by corkie on

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    You believe RTE has a bias yet you have shown zero evidence to back up your beliefs.

    Then you give credence to Gript and the Pro Life Campaign - both of whom known liars.

    Actually engage in the discussion and stop hiding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    A good OPINION article in the Sunday Indo today.

    https://m.independent.ie/opinion/comment/eilis-ohanlon-how-can-rte-talk-about-fact-checking-when-its-own-reporting-is-so-one-sided/a1179233562.html

    ^^ ~ Archive.ph link!

    It’s not that RTÉ or other news outlets knowingly spread falsehoods, more that their bias is generally so glaring as to not fool anyone.
    Name an issue. Any issue.
    Trump. Brexit. Immigration. Last year’s referendums on women in the home and the definition of the family, or previous ones on abortion and same-sex marriage. The church.
    Now ask what RTÉ’s stance is on each issue.
    Hardly any licence-fee payer is likely to reply: “Gosh, I really can’t tell.”

    I said I believe RTE has a bias! Saying that I DID NOT make an assertion that it was true or false! I am open to reading others opinions and views, and if a strong convincing argument is put forward, will be willing to change my belief. I don't have an agenda to convince others one way or the other. If your assertion is that my belief is false, then please prove your claim. I see no justification why I need to backup my own belief.

    If someone has the courage to put forward a view either way, be weary of been ripped to shreds on here, because the example of it, didn't include the other instances of x,y or z!

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    Oh never got around to actual checking the site today if there was anything new up.

    So a new Prime Time article to get the 'Clarity' categorization! A long drawn out article which had me more confused at what they are trying clarify to An Irish (or diaspora) audience. I get there are Irish people involved in the peacekeeper missions.

    Main takeaway from it for me is the usual attack on social media and disinformation.
    ~~ "information war" ~~

    Tried to get a summary from www.perplexity.ai but it couldn't scan or read the article, probably robots.txt blocking it!

    So asked a full up question on the subject and got below summary: -

    In summary, social media serves as a potent tool for spreading disinformation against UN troops, complicating their missions and threatening their safety. The UN is actively working to address these challenges through innovative counter-disinformation strategies.

    Is it just my observation/reading of the article that required me to seek an alternative source for clarification on the point they were trying to convey?

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,278 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    You're not refuting his point. That's an exit poll on election day, which RTE wouldn't have had access to during the debates.

    AFAIR immigration polled high as an issue in the run-up to the election, with it being one of the most important issue in one prominent poll. Even the article you quoted put it bang in the middle of issues when it comes to the electorate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭McBain11


    Cracking article in the independent. The level of arrogance that rte has as an organization now and over many previous decades is a sight to behold.

    It's hard to disagree with a single word in that article. If anyone is over the age of 30 and experienced rte handling major events in Irish history and not actually believing they have a glaring bias on almost every single issue, wow. Just wow.

    Trump. Brexit. Immigration. Abortion. Church. I did give out a hearty laugh as I recalled rte covering these huge topics down the years with no bias whatsoever! It is scary to think of the weight that organisation carries in influencing people's opinions in this country on extremely serious issues though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭taratee


    Is this new service being funded with bailout money? I use https://ground.news/ myself, and I filter the information there as needed. I'm struggling to see what's so revolutionary about this new service from RTE.

    I think RTÉ is the best of a bad bunch in this country. The RTE site is poor but shows like 'Upfront with Katie Hannon' usually have some representation from both sides of the debate. I'm centre-left myself, but the right-leaning guests — like the man from Gript who had to take that school teacher to task during the discussion about the Netflix show Adolescence — tend to add real value to the discussions. That teacher made some women in the audience wince; he was that bad. VM1 is very poor. The current affairs coverage on Ireland AM is pathetic — you never see a guest who's centre or right-leaning.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭corkie


    So RTE choosed to run with the below for the 'Clarity' categorization after all!

    image.png

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0408/1506450-markets-rumour-tariff/ ~ Updated / Tuesday, 8 Apr 2025 11:38

    Posted about the above on the 'X' Thread last night! I read something last night (can't find it again), that is not the first time to happen.

    ⓘ "At some point something inside me just clicked and I realized that I didn't have to deal with anyone's bullshit ever again."
    » “mundus sine caesaribus” «



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭Raichų


    sorry but has prime time investigates not absolutely torn the government a new one numerous times? This shite that RTE is government propaganda is just that— bullshit.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭taratee


    This happens frequently on the RTÉ site. They should be posting an updated version of the article to correct their errors.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



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