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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    But we can agree that it’s a plan to deal with population increase and not a plan to increase the population?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    In all fairness everyone knows what an Irish person is, ffs. Trying to create an argument about that is just trying to deflect from genuine discussion.

    It's a shame that people go to such lengths to avoid discussing reality. That kind of nonsense is one of the reasons people have turned to the right on immigration.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    ”Everybody knows” but no one says.

    To me an Irish person is someone who holds an Irish passport. To other people it’s an ethnicity, I’m curious how pure that ethnicity needs to be be to pass their purity test.

    I’ll start the discussion. I’m 79% Irish and 11% Scottish according to a DNA test. My wife is 40% Irish and 60% loads of other stuff. Are we Irish? If my wife is disqualified, what about my kids?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    I did - because like the question of "What is a male?", I don't believe you're asking it in good faith. That was really the crux of my reply. It's a silly question which everyone knows the answer to but which is hard to rigidly define, which means you can play silly games with edge cases thinking you're proving your point when actually, everyone still knows what a male is.

    I'm happy to compare the two questions in their silliness - fortunately, the world is increasingly realising it knows exactly what a male is, but they were just being bullied by activists who shouted down any answer other than the obvious one - and let that comparison speak for itself.

    I notice you avoided actually engaging with any of the other points I raised, if that's the game you want to play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭hawley


    If you are 79% Irish, it must mean that there's a genetic pool that they quantify as being Irish.

    Communication was the greatest fatality



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,126 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    I don't have a clue what an ethnically Irish person is, in this context?

    Are the Fitzgerald's ethnically Irish

    Is Ian Paisley ethnically Irish

    Is Paul McGrath ethnically Irish

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,063 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I don't know if there is official description, but imo, anyone who can trace ancestral ties to the country at the formation of the state is ethnically Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I could move to Japan tomorrow and in five years I can get citizenship.

    If I told people I was Japanese they would burst out laughing and rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭tom23


    i looked up wikipedia because some folk here don’t know what ethnic irish are.. are we still allowed to refer ourselves at ethnic irish these days? actually is wikipedia still a valid source of information?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,126 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    That doesn't really help me figure out if Ian Paisley was ethnically Irish or not on the boards Irish ethnicity scale.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    You certainly did not define what “ethnically Irish” is.

    As for the rest of your post, it wasn’t worth responding to. It was a bizarre rant about trans issues.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I’m indulging a paradigm I don’t agree with.

    If I am 79% Irish. Am I Irish? At what % does someone cease to be Irish?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: Can you all please move on from the semantics of defining "ethnically Irish" and percentages?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Apologies. Saw mod note after I posted



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    Mod note:

    @suvigirl

    I deleted your last few posts. Please read the mod warning just above.

    Thank you.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Mod - warned for ignoring mod instruction and other posters aren't the topic.

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,606 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: PokeHerKing can't come to the forum right now and a pointless back and forth between two posters has been deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Think you will have to explain how you managed to get that out of my quoted comment ?

    lt's gas, like a lucky dip , not knowing what new wonder awaits when I open that little notification 😋

    Edit I see another poster said something about dog whistling and you went with that . Why ,in relation to my post, I have no idea .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    So you can provide no proof that immigration has no effect on housing and deflect I thought so .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    it’s just silly to argue that immigration isn’t the main driver of the housing crisis. And not just illegal immigration.

    Since the late 90s Ireland has had massive immigration, much if not most of it legal, with very little planning.

    Freedom of movement in the EU is a massive issue for a small country with a strong economy. There has hardly been a year this century when the Irish property market was going up too quickly or in the midst of a crash.

    I’m actually v pro EU but pretending free movement isn’t causing major problems is a recipe for disaster. It’s a major lesson from Brexit.

    Because debate in immigration is so often driven by emotion and culture war stuff rather than logic, few people can accept the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,586 ✭✭✭tom23


    Yeah I would agree with most of this. How folk cant see the correlation is beyond me. We simply cant meet the housing demand. Irish Water can only connect 35 houses a year, possibly 50.5k with 1.7 billion extra funding. If we keep adding and adding, where do we stop? Country feels its creaking under it own success, health and transport. Jammed to the gills Monday - Sunday.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2024/1215/1486623-uisce-eireann/#:~:text=Uisce%20%C3%89ireann%20can%20currently%20supply,homes%20a%20year%20with%20water.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,126 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    So with the removal of EU free movement in Britain how is Britain doing?

    What is the lesson we should learn from Brexit?

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    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The main driver of the housing crisis is population increase.

    The root cause of the housing crisis is gross mismanagement of the property sector. We aren’t building enough houses. We aren’t addressing the vacant properties and we have done nothing about land hoarding.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,925 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    The United States has been multicultural for the majority of its existence as a state. And while Europe hasn't "always been multicultural" — it sure has been multicultural for long enough to begin displaying signs of a decline in overall quality of life if migration is the destructive force that it's often made out to be on here. And there has also been enough elapsing of time for non-multicultural countries quality of life metrics to overtake those of multicultural countries.

    Again, none of this is to say that migration or multiculturalism are nothing but positives, but you would expect that if they are the destructive force that you make them out to be, then this would be reflected by both (1) the decline of countries that have experienced migration and multiculturalism and (2) the overtaking of these countries' quality of life by countries of similar size that have less experience of it.

    And feel free to quote polls all you want but unfortunately there is no greater show of hands in favour of multiculturalism or migration in this country than our own emigrant population who choose to also partake and benefit from it in other countries where they form part of the migrant population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,063 ✭✭✭prunudo


    How folk cant see the correlation is beyond me.

    Because everything we have said about issue regarding immigration, has been labelled as misinformation and far right. Our politicians and media have spent years gaslighting the public, convincing them that what is plain to see and common sense is not.

    And because they built up this narrative, that you're a terrible far right thug if you dare think or question policy, people have been brainwashed into accepting everything they are told even when the evidence says otherwise.

    Thankfully we're see some pushback and change of messaging but it will take a long time for people to realise they've been lied to and manipulated about the destruction of the country. But ultimately, it rests solely at the feet of our politicians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    The main driver of the housing crisis is population increase. I don’t disagree.

    What is the main driver of population increase?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/04/07/trade-war-would-hit-housing-demand-and-could-put-a-brake-on-asking-prices-myhome-says/

    It seems really strange that fewer multinational workers due to the trade war, and by extension less demand for housing, would reduce inflation in our housing market?

    I thought demand apparently didn’t have any impact on housing prices anymore for some reason??
    Tens of thousands of additional people landing into the country that are going to need to be housed eventually has no impact on housing we were told?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Surely we can all agree that it’s immigration, mainly people moving to Ireland for work.

    But as I said. That’s not what cause the problem. It’s the stuff I listed earlier that can fix the property market that isn’t being done.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    the destruction of the country

    I see this constantly in this thread, yet no one can explain what they mean by it. This country is great, sure there are some issues but mismanagement by successive governments have caused issues with the health services and housing.

    I don't see any destruction of our country and it's just nonsense.



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