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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The "far right" bingo card is almost complete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭niallm77


    And given the government's inability to deliver anything, it's just a plan. It's on paper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No they are not. Why do people continue to talk about things when they can't even grasp the basics.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    agreed.

    But what is isn’t is a plan to grow the population via immigration. Which is what some of our kookier posters claim.

    Mod - warned for uncivil post

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭niallm77


    But the government have a plan to increase the population by 2040 via immigration because the birth rate of the country is 1.7, to grow the population it needs to be above 2.

    So what is it? Mass immigration or they have a lab to grow babies hidden away somewhere?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 724 ✭✭✭Phat Cat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭ericzeking


    Why do we have to cover our whole countryside in houses to facilitate the world and it's mother to come here and live?

    This idea of a housing crisis independent of the fact there has been rapid inorganic population growth is such nonsense. A sustainable, sensible amount of housing should be built, for a sustainable population prioritizing Irish people, born and bred here.

    We are building 30-40 k houses per year. In the Celtic tiger we built so many houses that they started knocking them again (ghost estates), it was a mess.

    The other gas thing is the pro-mass migration cult bleat on about building infinite houses, you just know the vast, vast majority of them wouldn't know one end of a shovel from the other. Who's going to build the infinity houses? Oh we can bring in migrants to build the houses….it's a vicious circle, an absurdity.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The population growth isn’t a kookie idea. It’s an inevitable result of prosperity.

    What’s kookie is the idea the government have a grand plan to replace us with immigrants.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭emo72


    How do we grow to 7 million people and make our carbon footprint go down? Is anyone awake in the Dail?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    We don't. Especially when flights half way around the world to visit relatives aren't included in our carbon footprint.

    It's completely unsustainable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    But the government have a plan to increase the population by 2040

    Can you please link to this plan? Or tell posters where they could find this plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I never said that , and that is probably why you have not had an explanation .

    This is exactly the bad faith discussion I was talking about.

    And it is lapped up on this thread .

    You don't address the post I posted but make up things to attack instead .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    The country is way short of it's carbon footprint target to 2030 already and faces fines of 8 to 26 billion . This plan to 2040 must be a work of genius .

    I can see the plan being a Government trot line in years to come in the face of criticism

    https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/laggard-ireland-may-face-26-billion-euro-eu-climate-bill-watchdogs-warn-2025-03-04/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,833 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Agree with the latter comment .

    But it's not " chicken and egg " scenario .

    The housing problems and services issues predate immigration .And far outweigh it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Everlong1


    What "hard right" views are those? That between 13,000 and 18,000 people arriving per year claiming protection is sustainable? That spending €2b euro per year (that's TWO BILLION euro per year!) housing these people is sustainable? At a time when Trump's antics are set to crash the economy? That we can't build enough houses for our own population, never mind 18,000 IPAS applicants in 2024? That's before we even start looking at the increased pressure on schools, health services etc. Does concern about all of this now make you a "hard right" supporter?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Are you trying to argue that 100k people entering the country each year isn't the number 1 factor in the current housing crisis?

    Really?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Ireland has changed an awful lot due to as Michael Martin has said economic migrants pulling on our limited services



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭tom23


    of course it is… it’s puts pressure on rental properties and increased competition for house buying. The fact it’s never discussed when they talk about the housing crisis is mental… any discussion is shot down as dog whistling or far right rhetoric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Also its the reason why young couples are leaving the country and living in their parents spare room,

    But the governments plan is to put imigrants in 5 star hotels and the irish in sheds out the back of the garden



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Did someone say dog whistling or is that a lone cry in the woods ?? You need to show substantial proof for that claim .



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,254 ✭✭✭enricoh


    So is the minister for housing lying or just mistaken? Have you notified the housing minister that he can't even grasp the basics?

    I'm pretty sure it's the housing ministers job to talk about housing tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,257 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Ethnically Irish people will be a minority this century if they push ahead with this. No radical plans to tackle social issues that are driving our birthrate down. I would prefer the money and resources used for economic migrants used to tackle this issue. The very future of our people are at stage.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Push ahead with what exactly? There is no plan to replace “ethnically Irish people”.

    Out of curiosity, how do you define someone as ethnically Irish?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,410 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    I think this question of "How do you define someone as ethnically Irish?" a bit silly - it sounds like an intelligent question but it's not. It's fairly clear what ethnically Irish is. It can be hard to define in exact terms - which is why it's a popular question on one side of this debate, who like to pick on trivia and think it nullifies an argument - but we all know what it is.

    I've noted before the strong similarities between the pro-immigration argument and the pro-trans argument. I think in this case, you can liken the question of "How do you define someone as ethnically Irish?" is akin to the question of "How do you define someone as male?" Again, it sounds like an intelligent question but it's not - yet because it's hard to define exactly, it's a popular question on one side of that debate, even though the answer is obvious to anyone with two eyes.

    The issue of our culture being replaced is absolutely one to be discussed - in particular with regards the idea of what culture replaces it as the majority culture. Do we want Islam to take over as the majority culture here, while there's still a million or two Irish in Ireland, for example? (Of course we don't - it's a homophobic, misogynistic culture intolerant of free speech, among other problems) What sort of legacy would that be to leave to future generations?

    But it's absolutely something to be discussed. It's the very essence of sustainability really - is what we're doing culturally sustainable? (We know it's not sustainable in terms of carbon, etc)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    A lot of fine words remains to be seen how well it works .



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,557 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I notice you avoid actually defining “ethnically Irish”.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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