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Are asexuals 'fake oppressed'? **Mod Note in Post #221**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Not me, guv - it's posters above who brought in LGBT references. Take it up with them.

    What she said in the OP is nothing at all except for people with no sense of humour. Or who are desperately trying to find reasons to hate her - which is what I assumed you were doing with your very general remark.

    If you really were referring only to that one tweet, then maybe explain that why one single tweet makes her a dick?

    Maybe start with why people with a low sex drive need a day of awareness in the first place, and whether it may be counterproductive to have multiple days of awareness for all sorts of character traits that have little effect on people's interactions with most of those around them? (I'm assuming that you, like most of us, will ever have sex with only a tiny proportion of the people we actually spend time with in our daily lives?)

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Never said it needed to be an illness though. It's a grouping of people and it's meaningful for the grouping to know they're not alone, particularly when it can be difficult to come to terms with being significantly different to a lot of society. Some might need therapy to come terms with it, others may simply find it meaningful to know they're not alone. Eg I spent the first thirty years of my life not fully knowing that I was on the autism spectrum, feeling significantly different to everyone else was incredibly tough and when I eventually came to terms with being autistic, it really helped with my identity and feeling less alone. So, I can totally get why it can be meaningful in a psychological sense.

    Now what actual impact does the day have on you? At the moment, it just seems like complaining for the sake of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    It is more insidious than that. A lot of our internet interactions are manufactured to get us hooked to watch ads. A topic is created, if it does not get enough traction, a fake controversy is engineered. Trump is the embodiment of this approach. Immigrants are not "horrible" enough to be used a scapegoat in the USA? Say that they eat dogs and cats. Everyone is ambivalent about asexuals having a visibility day? Release the kraken Rowling on them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jimmy Saville raised 10s of millions for children's charities.

    But but but Bono.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    The more pertinent question is whether you like to celebrate. Are you are celebratophile or an acelebrator? If you like to celebrate, then why not celebrate all the days when you feel like partying. Throw a party for the asexual visibility day. Then another one for the Black History Month. Then another for the Mother's Day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭89897


    You cannot in all honesty think her post was made in jest!! You also cannot in all honesty believe people are using just this one tweet to label her!

    Awareness days are needed for community and support. Just because you dont need it doesnt mean its not needed, its not your community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I already explained but to be clear: I don't agree or disagree with things depending onhow much they affect me personally: I think that having a day of awareness is a good thing as long as it's used sparingly, or it soon becomes meaningless as they all merge into each other.

    I think the people who most want lots and lots of days of awareness are mostly people who see a commercial gain in it for them - people who make flags, tee shirts etc.

    If you think it makes me a mean person to say we should be very sure of why a particular character trait needs a day of awareness before adding it to the calendar, so be it.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,683 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Simple really, it makes absolutely zero difference to her life whether or not asexual people have a day of awareness. She could simply just ignore it. It requires literally zero effort.

    However, she chose to comment on it, in a very flippant way, knowing that she would rile people up - we call that, 'being a dick'.

    It's okay though, people can be dicks if they want to be. In fact, sometimes I can be a dick. I can fully admit that.

    Do you know what though? I don't go around defending others when they are clearly being dicks. I'm not sure why it's such a big deal to say 'hey, she's being a dick with that comment' when she clearly is.

    As for your later part, I honestly don't know why people with a low sex drive require a day of awareness. It matters naught to me in the slightest if they do, I simply don't care and won't pay attention to it in any way whatsoever.

    I'm not going to go around posting 'LOL! PEOPLE WHO DON'T FANCY A SHAG HAVE A DAY OF AWARENESS, LOLOLOL' like JK did. Which, rather ironically, has made more people aware of this day of awareness than any of their own promotion has probably ever done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Savile used that as an alibi to get access to sick children. Lots of people knew that that the time but the groupthink on the BBC and in the establishment mean that anyone who questioned him was an outcast: look at John Lydon who was banned from the BBC for calling him out:

    And the "official" response to Rowling is far closer to how they reacted to Lydon than to Savile.

    But if you have the tiniest bit of evidence that she is using her charity activities to access victims, please do let the police know.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    You can be asexual and still love to smell flowers and eat corn flakes. But it’s important for some to celebrate their celibacy or abstinence with a day dedicated to it. The person may also decide to set aside some reflection time towards their penchant for flower smelling, eating corn flakes on special days. Personally, I reserve a number of days a year to reflect on my bafflement syndrome.

    I admit they have become more frequent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭crusd


    When did JK Rowling decide being an utter c*nt was going to be her whole personality.

    Where exactly is the harm in someone who is asexual hearing other people talk about it? Even if hearing there was other people identifying as asexual were to help one person, who may feel they are not normal because they dont have sexual desire, its worth it. And it impacts absolutely no one else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    So it's made lots of people aware that some people don't want sex. How can that help anyone in a away that discussion around the need for consent and to respect someone saying "No" wouldn't?

    And if you can't see how, then could you consider that adding multiple days of awareness for which nobody can explain the specific aims is, in fact, counterproductive in terms of all the other days of awareness for which we do need more awareness?

    Things like autism or disability awareness, so that the young mother I saw struggling the other day in the supermarket with a presumably autistic child screaming obscenities can be understood and maybe even helped by those around her instead of being judged as a sh1t parent?

    (And Rowling said that "flippantly"- so you agree with me that she made a joke - and does that really make her a dick? Or did you already think that and were delighted to jump on the anti Rowling bandwagon - same as "everyone" thought Savile was a great geezer and Lydon was a bad egg for criticising him? FWIW I always though Savile was creepy - but then I'm a nobody. But I'm a nobody who was a teenage girl when Savile was getting a knighthood and I could see he was a creep, so I'm sure they all could too. But people don't like to stand out. Hence "Rowling is a dick" - for standing out.)

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Okay, thing is you're making no effort to understand why it is meaningful to the grouping. Like it's entirely up to the group to acknowledge the day or not, the fact that they do makes it meaningful for them. You might not get that which is perfectly fine but there's no authority that controls awareness days cause that would be a tad silly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Hold on a minute, sex driven people don’t push their libidinous agenda on anybody! They keep it all behind closed doors. Their brand is nowhere to be seen…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Well I must have missed all the explanations then! Maybe you can point me to them - cos the only ones I've seen are about consent, which as I've said is important enough to need proper treatment, not be limited only to people who never want sex full stop.

    Someone who doesn't want sex with someone is entitled not to have sex with them. That should be true whether it's no sex with that one person, or no sex with everyone else they've ever met. If someone with zero sex drive feels lonely and isolated, then they should either get therapy (if they want to change that) or set up a group for like minded people, if they don't but just want to meet other people with whom they don't want to have sex.

    Although I thought that was called a Bridge club.

    But I have yet to see a single reason for a, asexual day of awareness that wouldn't be better served another way. And as I said several times now - and again nobody has explained why they think this is wrong, so I'm assuming they can't - days of awareness should not be overused or they all risk becoming invisible and therefore pointless.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Just celebrate your sexual fluid.
    On second thoughts, that didn't come out the way I meant it to.
    On third thoughts, neither did that!
    I give up!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    People have been asking questions about them here. I think it's explanatory why they need it. And you're assuming that everyone has your extensive knowledge about it.

    Are you annoyed that they have a day of awareness, that you weren't even aware of, until Rowling bitched about it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,217 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    This asexual day of celebration should be on a Tuesday- I haven’t got a ride on a Tuesday in years.

    I should at least be invited to the afters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,047 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Mmm. So on the one hand you're telling me I have extensive knowledge of the issue, and in the next paragraph, telling me that I'm annoyed about the same issue about which I knew nothing until someone posted about it the other day?

    Okaaay. I think I'll leave you to your own "logic".

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,665 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    What in God's name is an a sexual?

    obviously I can Goole it, but never heard of it before …



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    What's a GC?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,852 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    That's the best you have?

    People here did ask about asexual people. So obviously a day of awareness is needed for some people here. And you're the one questioning the need for the day, so why don't you exp[lain why you think it's not needed and why it's bad that there is one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    And the "official" response to Rowling is far closer to how they reacted to Lydon than to Savile.

    What official response? 😂

    She is being an absolute díck, this isn't very complicated.



  • Posts: 701 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Why is asexuality teamed with LGB? It's obviously not a sexuality.

    This one is hilarious.

    https://x.com/theyasminbenoit?t=f0zQlBqdSDyXstpAMh98lQ&s=09



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,884 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=GC

    Abbreviation for "Gender Critical", another term for TERF, which are people who believe that women can only be women if they are AFAB (Assigned Female at Birth).

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭NattyO


    She puts an awful lot of effort into something she apparently has no interest in.

    This would be like me starting up an awareness group for people who don't watch soap operas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,665 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Oh no, is this whole a sexual thing one of these new transgender identities?

    Just saw Terf & "assigned at birth" which gives the game away. Does this mean we have to add the A to the LGBTQ+A



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,429 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    But there are asexual gay couples. Something which I don't quite get myself. 

    Do you consider yourself "straight"? Genuinely curious?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,603 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I think it's worth pointing out that the only person who said oppression is JK Rowling herself

    I didn't spot anything in the post about asexual awareness that spoke to any form of oppression

    In fact it literally just defined the meaning of asexuality as far as I can tell, nothing more

    Also, it's an awareness day. As in, being aware of the concept and its meaning so you are better informed

    This frankly seems like JK being an attention seeker as usual and trying to stir up some controversy over a nothing burger

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,908 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You could just look it up cause honestly just coming across as pretty foolish.



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