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Rory Gallagher - A dismissed case that was dealt with and brought to attention? Mod Note in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Have you an example of this 99%?

    If a woman made allegations of this kind against you, are you saying you wouldn't deny them? As I've said multiple times now, I would deny them and it'd be up to people to make up their own minds once they knew my side of the story



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    TBF, it's the same story from 2 separate sources. I'm not denying that he's made that statement in recent weeks.

    I'd like for him to have come out immediately once the allegations were made and explicitly denied them as having absolutely no foundation or truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Can't get any stronger denial than this. This is a full and unequivocal denial.

    “I categorically deny the allegations levelled against me. I have engaged with every procedure available to me,” continues Gallagher in his statement.

    The link Robbie posted advised that RG denies. The Irish Times article actually has the quote from the statement.

    It's as clear as day. RG categorically denies the allegations. I don't know if he did was was alleged against him or not. But no point in saying that he hasn't denied it. His legal team would be all over this. What was said in statements to date would be ratified by solicitors. If there wasn't a categorical denial previously, it would be on legal advice. But now he has denied it. End of story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    I can't find any statement of you denying it on Google, so obviously you are guilty. Case closed.

    This prosecution crack is easy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭jackboy


    That is fine, it's a judgement call. I suspect you would just end up putting a target on your back and making things worse. As the saying goes, if you are explaining you are losing.

    If the authorities investigate and take no further action then best to say nothing and try to move on. Rory should not have threatened to sue, it's just made more people believe he is guilty. It's resulted in a discussion on the late late show implying that he is guilty.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    If others are happy to accept a single line ("I categorically deny the allegations levelled against me") in a statement about the Naas manager's job more than a year after the allegations were made as sufficient to believe that Gallagher didn't do what he's accused of, then fair enough.

    For my part, if I were in a situation where I was accused of anything like that, I'd be certain to make an explicit and unequivocal denial at the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    You would hold a press conference would ya?

    Allow reporters ask you a few questions, sling a bit of mud?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Link to where anyone has stated that the fact he has denied it means that he is not guilty.

    You are the one saying that he is guilty because you are unsatisfied with his denials.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    No. I'd issue a statement

    What would you do if you were in that situation?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    You might want to note the word "if" at the beginning of that post.

    Since we're doing this though, link to where I said that he is guilty pls 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,714 ✭✭✭robbiezero




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,427 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    It's behind closed doors so everyone will form their own opinion. I for one can't understand how naas could feel they could appoint this man to a role within their club without any outrage. A very poor decision from the club in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Let's say it's not a legal case though. What do you do? Let the lie stand or deny it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    You are deflecting. I can't speak for others, but I didn't at any time say he didn't do what he's accused of. The issue here is that you said he didn't deny it, but it has been pointed out with proof quoting an actual statement that he did deny it. You questioned a poster and advised that they lied about not looking for that statement on google. When I googled, I found it in 20 seconds. So I do think that that poster did not actually do a search for the statement or quotes from the statement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Poyndexter


    Yes he asked about Hayes and why he hadn’t intervened there also.

    Burns felt it was different because Gallagher was a coach and in a position of authority and influence whereas Hayes was only a player.

    Regarding the Armagh incident Burns has said that he will comment in due course, but can’t at the moment for legal reasons.

    I just feel that Burns has opened up a can of worms here. Such is the size of the GAA I am sure that there are bound to be other coaches with allegations against them or with criminal records. Is he going to intervene there also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭Poyndexter


    Yes he asked about Hayes and why he hadn’t intervened there also. 

    Burns felt it was different because Gallagher was a coach and in a position of authority and influence whereas Hayes was only a player.

    Regarding the Armagh incident Burns has said that he will comment in due course, but can’t at the moment for legal reasons.

    I just feel that Burns has opened up a can of worms here. Such is the size of the GAA I am sure that there are bound to be other coaches with allegations against them or with criminal records. Is he going to intervene there also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    You might want to go back and reread that interaction so you can understand it correctly.

    After Robbie posted the story about the recent denial, what I said was this:

    So no statement explicitly addressing the allegations either at the time they were made or since? But mentioned in a statement about the Naas job more than a year after.

    So as you see, I accepted that he mentioned it in the Naas statement. To which Robbie replied:

    Maybe there is, I haven't looked, I don't really care.

    A quick Google shows anyone that there's no statement at the time from Gallagher explicitly denying the allegations. The only denial is that one single line in his statement about the Naas job. So if we were having this discussion at the beginning of Dec, there appears to have been no public denial from Gallagher.

    As above, anyone who's happy to accept his denial over a year later as part of the Naas controversy is free to do so. For my part, I'd have made an equivocal and robust denial at the time.

    Out of interest, if you were in a situation where untrue allegations were publicly made about you, would you deny them straight up or let them stand?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 487 ✭✭TsuDhoNimh


    "So if he didn't deny them why was he not charged and why did the GAAs own investigation find that his suspension was invalid (a process completely ignored by Burns)."


    The suspension was declared invalid by the DRA on the basis that the Ulster Council “did not have power to debar the Claimant in the manner it sought to do for the reasons discussed earlier.” It had nothing to do with the Gallagher case per se and purely on the GAA's own Rules & Regs & them simply not (yet, sounds like they're planning to review those rules) having an ability to debar like that.

    http://www.sportsdra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/24.02.26-Final-Decision.pdf (19 pages of negative craic, but it's there in public if anyone wants to dig into details)

    The GAA's "own investigation" was the (usually referred to as the McGibbon) Safeguarding Panel Review. It's that review that led to the decision to suspend/debar and would have been a factor in Burns' decision to send the e-mail to Naas (the Naas club, like the general public, wouldn't have had access to the report). We don't know the contents, but safe to say the people involved in that investigation were working with a lot more information than the few bits and bobs we've sadly (for the family involved) seen splashed over the papers in recent months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    1. We are not having this discussion back in December, we are having it now. After he had denied the allegations. So to raise that point is irrelevant and theoretical.
    2. ""Not sure what has any of that to do with my post (which you replied to) in relation to why Gallagher has been unable to deny the fairly serious accusations made against him"" - This was your quote in post #776. But that's incorrect. He has clearly denied the allegations.
    3. It's not about me or you accepting his denial. I am just stating the facts. I'm not making any judgements on RG, as I do not know what happened. Never met him in my life. And haven't heard any hearsay about him, except what I have read on here and in the news. I've been around long enough to know not to believe everything I read.
    4. If someone made allegations about me, I would reach out to a legal professional to know what my options are, and I would follow their advice on what is the best thing to do, and make sure that I am not breaching any legal issues. I wouldn't be in a rush to go all gung ho and shouting innocence to the media. I am not the type of person that cares too much what 5 million strangers in this good country of ours thinks of me. As I said, I would discuss this with my legal team.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Boards epileptic page loading is making the site so hard to read



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Fair enough, I'd be happy to amend that earlier post to "Gallagher has been unable to deny the fairly serious accusations made against him until he included a one line denial in his recent statement about the Naas job".

    Let's say it's not a legal case though for whatever reasons so there's no legal advice involved and no worries about legal repercussions, what would you do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    If it affected the main things in my life e.g. family relationships, job, social life - then I think I would deny it if it was in the public domain.

    But when the legal ramifications are introduced into it, it changes that completely. I don't really understand it to be honest, but there you'd often hear people releasing limited statements and advising that they cannot discuss further for legal reasons. A topical example if Ja Burns this weekend declining to comment on the Armagh controversary for legal reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    If Rory Gallagher had released a statement to that effect at the time, I'd have been happy to take it at face value. That he didn't do so inevitably raises questions for me even if it doesn't for others



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭Suckler


    This could get interesting. I was one that doubted he'd go this route.

    rory-gallagher-initiates-legal-proceedings-against-gaa-and-jarlath-burns



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭bcklschaps


    Hope Gallagher is sucessful and the whole thing ends with Jarlath Burns getting fired. I think he feels he's the CEO of the GAA instead of President which is effectively an honourary position (much like Irish state President).

    Below is another case of Jarlath Burns interference

    Post edited by bcklschaps on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,042 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    I know I shouldn't, but I kinda feel along the same lines as you. Looks like his ego has took an astronomical boost when he got this role - to the point that he thinks he can do whatever he wants, and that we all want to hear him giving 5 minute speeches before actually presenting teams with winning cups.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 884 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Whatever about Gallaghers past Jarlath Burns should not be interfering in a jobs process, and the fact he sent an email is a rookie mistake.

    He has left himself open to this legal case.

    Rule number 1, don't leave a paper trail. Surely a face to face would have worked better...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I think Burns was 100% right. That’s just my opinion, but I’m struggling to see how Gallagher has any legal case here.

    Besides, isn’t GAA coaching an amateur endeavour? How can Gallagher argue this has affected his career if he’s only supposed to get expenses?



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