Hamas strike on Israel

I just seen this. It sounds a bit suspect in respect of the fact that he was released after 15 hours of captivity and not killed himself. Given that the idf seems to have gone to such lengths to cover up the paramedics killing, why would they release a survivor?

Ok, I just thought he was probably lying. I think the atrocity is mass murder and a despicable act, so I can't see the idf having let any of those involved go.

He wasn't there when the alleged executions took place so I think they probably just released him because he didn't see anything.

The thing is that it doesn't really matter to the Israelis in some ways. Their supporters will still support them. their detractors will still oppose them. And when you consider the number of killings that have taken place so far, this is just a drop in the ocean. They can do what they want at this stage.

"listen carefully to the selective little bit I've conveniently cherry picked"

I guarantee you'll continue to dodge further questions though.

if they return the hostages and surrender, the war and the killing will stop. 

The naivety get's better every day.

Where do you think the PCBS gets those numbers from? They don't have access to Gaza. Hamas would be the only source they could obtain those numbers from, and I take anything coming from Hamas with a pinch shovel load of salt.

So give us your number of innocent civilians then.

The innocent people in Gaza—I have no sympathy for Hamas terrorists—died because of Hamas’s actions.

No one has ever said that the actions of Hamas have not had and effect. To simplistically put all deaths down to the actions of Hamas without any reflection on Israeli actions is blinkered at best but wilful misunderstanding is more evident as you go on.

Hamas killed and captured hostages on October 7th, and their refusal to release them and surrender, along with their long-documented use of human shields (even before October 7th), is the reason for these deaths.

Israel captured thousands of Palestians before and after Oct 7th. Their continued usage of unjustified of incommunicado detention, used to arbitrarily detain Palestinians indefinitely without charge/trial and or access to legal council.

To be absolutely clear, I hold Hamas and its supporters responsible for all of this suffering and death—not the people of Israel, not the Israeli state

You seem to have again just picked up on this recently, without countenance of what was happening from 1948 to Oct 7th 2023 no wonder you still don't understand.

not the Israeli state that was forced into this war,

"Forced in to this war"….nothing to do with the Palestinians forced into settlements. Or forced out of homes as/when the Israelis decide?

and certainly not the innocent people of Gaza who have died and continue to suffer at the hands of Hamas.

And here's the biggest issue of your nonsense - Most have dies at the hands of Israeli military action.

The victims of the October 7th terrorists attacks and the innocent people of Gaza, who have endured and continue to endure immense suffering at the hands of Hamas, are the victims of this war.

No one has said otherwise. You think you are making some profound statements but they're not answering any of the points you've continuously been pulled up on.

Not a single response to my UN Watch video.

I responded. You know I responded. But you still needed to make your grandstanding "not a single response" to add weight to an every failing argument.

As I mentioned earlier, he hit the nail on the head. His point applies to most of the pro-Palestine posters on this forum, as I noted last week.

You just can't see that it doesn't apply; you just want it to apply.

There is a big difference unfortunately.

My support for the innocent people on both sides of this conflict, for the state of Israel to exist, for the people of Israel to live in peace, and my hope that the innocent people of Gaza will experience the peace and prosperity they deserve once they are free from Hamas,

Just free from Hamas…..Nothing to do with how Israel treats them… Everything they've endured up to October 7th 2023 you were ok with?

From 2007 - 2023 Israel bombed and/or invaded Gaza seven times, killing almost 4,000 Palestinians.

They destroyed homes, schools, universities, hospitals etc. When the people of Gaza tried to rebuild them they were destroyed by Israel again. Given that they operate an air, land and sea blockade of Gaza, rebuilding (never mind day to day life) is monumental task each time.

Let's be honest for once, you've not support for innocent Palestinians, that much is very clear.

will always remain my firm foundation.

You mean, you've put your fingers in your ears and won't deal with anything other than what satisfies your narrowminded view.

Others here appear to have a more combative mindset, unfortunately.

A differing opinion and backing it up is not "combative"; people just aren't buying the flimsy arguments you seem intent to fall back on without even considering their point(s). It's your way or everyone else is simply 'combative'. Unfortunate indeed.