Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

What about all the lives taken by the Israelis before Oct 7th?

Does anyone notice how the pro Israel/IDF posters never answer any straight questions (except Bishop of Hope) and often disappear when the going gets tough whereas the pro Palestinian posters answer every single question and often in great detail. What does that tell you?

Get a grip.

Q. Do you know how many children in Gaza have lost a parent or became orphans since the IDF started destroying Gaza?

Don't expect an answer.

Regarding the 15 medics/aid workers/ambulance drivers, murdered by the IDF (some with feet and hands bound) and buried with their vehicles then left for a week (so the IDF could presumably get their stories straight), here's what the UK and Germany are saying. Plus, a hard hitting Haaretz editorial:

British Foreign Secretary David Lammy called Gaza the world's most dangerous place for humanitarian aid workers, while addressing the death of 15 aid workers by IDF fire last week in the Tel al-Sultan neighborhood in Rafah, adding that those responsible for the deaths "must be punished."

Germany called for "a comprehensive investigation into the deaths" of the aid workers.

"Terrible things happened last week on the road to Tel al-Sultan, a neighborhood in the Gazan town of Rafah… Even though this government would like the war to continue forever, it will end someday. And on that day, the IDF and Israeli society as a whole will be forced to look in the mirror and deal with the knowledge that these atrocities were committed in our name" – Haaretz Editorial

Thanks for putting me in the pro Israeli camp Cluedo. That's not what I am btw. I can see how you might put me in it as I voice my belief that there are two sides, one as intolerant of the other as each other. Surely Israel is the dominant entity, but the Palestinians still would do the same if they were the dominant ones imo. I said before, this conflict will never end if both sides are left to their own devices. I question the wisdom of Hamas in what they have done and continue to do in the face of such overwhelming odds.

I has hoped that the US might have reasoned with Israel and brought about a permanent ceasefire, but no, Trump Gaza has been taken literally by Netanyahu and scuppered even the ceasefire that wS in place. Netanyahu and his govt is possessed it seems and are now thinking of taking complete control of and seizing Gaza.

Wouldn't disagree with any of that

Given journalists are banned from Gaza, perhaps they thought he wouldn't be able to get his side of the story out? Or perhaps, seeing as they didn't allow anyone near the mass shallow grave of bodies and vehicles for a week, they thought he'd be killed in an airstrike pretty quickly.

Maybe someone in the IDF found that they actually had a conscience and spirited him away. Maybe it was just a mistake.

Whatever happens, Israel will of course deny everything he has said.

Perhaps he is - but it sounds very unlikely. But it equally seems very unlikely the IDF would have let him go as you say. Its a strange one alright.

Listen very carefully to what he says at the 3:00 mark. He hits the nail on the head.

I don't know the true number, and neither do you. Unfortunately, many have died due to the actions of Hamas. As we all know, if they return the hostages and surrender, the war and the killing will stop. I know you're going to respond by blaming Israel and the IDF, so don’t bother.

They have not died. They have been killed. Do you know who killed them since Oct 7th? You can't even say it and wanted me to not say it. Very very weird.

The Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) reported on Thursday that children make up 43 percent of the population in Palestine, with more than 39,000 orphans in the Gaza Strip, marking largest orphan crisis in modern history.

Empathy?

Theres no hostages in the West Bank and there's no sign to an end of the ethnic cleansing there.

Oh ffs...his point is someone forgot to retweet something on Twitter which makes them anti Israel???? I am not on Twitter but I'd imagine this is very possible considering all the posts and garbage on it. What a stretch.

I see Netanyahu is in his hollybops in Hungary, hosted by Viktor Orban. Misery certainly loves company…

Just hope his jet doesn't suffer a malfunction requiring an emergency landing in an ICC signatory state.