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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭Field east


    yes , you are right Oodge. I was just trying to make the point that what Trump is saying re the imbalance is based on current figures and he has not factored in Irelands contribution in the past and a value put on it Or is the American attitude on of ‘ That was then and this is now’!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,048 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A more palatable and uplifting name for Trump's tariffs than "Trump f*cking up everyone's economies including their own because he can't have a reasonable and balanced discussion/negotiation… Day"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Naturally, we are more exposed than the rest of the EU. - Its the exact same as France asking for no possible tariffs on US alcohol as its going to hit their wine exports even more. Also, the EU never reacts quickly - they certainly wont to this. One will assume a measured and thought out response. Followed by negotiations.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He also doesn't factor in services (not that that would do a lot for specifically the Irish trade balance, though it would for the EU). The US is a services economy these days.

    But yes, he is a completely transactional person and always has been. He also views all transactions as having a winner and a loser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    ah jayzus…i really couldve done with out seeing that gobshite and me only on my second cup of coffee…

    is donnie up out of the scratcher yet for his biggliest day?

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,091 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    A part of the "alleged" tax scam is that it was voluntarily entered into by multiple US Co's for decades now under both GOP and Democrat Admins yet the Trump administration is not prosecuting those US Co's it sees as being complicit with the tax scam Lutnick is alleging they are involved in. That fact should, on its own, help make people understand that Lutnick's "alleged" tax scam does not and never did exist. It was merely businesspeople doing what they do best, ensure the corporate take is good, all above board in US law and foreign law. BTW, they are not our tax scams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,024 ✭✭✭dogbert27


    Lutnick had no problem operating in Ireland with his company since 1998 and availing of the tax scheme.

    Looks like his company is the right kind for associating with Trump.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/02/27/cantor-fitzgerald-ireland-fined-452790-for-failing-to-report-suspicious-trades/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,430 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Indeed he made a healthy profit for himself and his clients over many years using the so called "scam", hes just another maga hypocrite



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Sometimes, trolls on this thread would get frustrated when overwhelmed by valid points on how much of a dangerous buffoon Trump is and how dark his agenda generally is. They'd blurt out something like, "Anyway, why are Irish people so interested in all of this? Get a life." Seeming so confident that a day would never come when the policies of another Trump administration would have even the potential of a significant impact on us.

    Well…. that day has arrived.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "Well - wasn't it worth it to own the libs!!!" /s

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭tarvis


    it’s not Liberation Day. It’s been my birthday for years now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    It's a long time since the US has been as politically polarised as it is now and the old adage of social control applies now more than ever.

    "Divide and rule". It always works a treat.

    While you have Americans who would cut the nose off their face in the vain hope it would upset someone of 'the other side', the plutocrat mega-wealthy class is absolutely laughing at them and gleefully planning what lovely property they're going to buy up in the next recession



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    Our interests and ability to absorb tariffs are not remotely the same as Germany.

    Ireland is the world's third largest Pharma exporter - Germany is the largest!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    US: Fcuk off freeloaders and look after your own security

    EU: OK

    EU looks to invest in European Arms companies at the expense of US ones.

    US: Wait, What?

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us-officials-object-european-push-buy-weapons-locally-2025-04-02/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "I know we called you pathetic freeloaders, but we enjoyed doing so and were hoping we could continue abusing you in this way. You lot investing more in your defence puts a real crimp in that plan."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    i think all donnies tarriffs are going to be a bit of a fcuktastrophy,particularly for america…

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,119 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    While you have Americans who would cut the nose off their face in the vain hope it would upset someone of 'the other side'

    Doesn't that describe an awful lot of people of a particular political persuasion these days though? The modern right wing as absolutely littered with folk that your descriptor applies to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,511 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    He doesn't seem to understand what tariffs actually are, so yes. I saw Mike Johnson come out and say "you have to trust the president's instincts on this" which said it all really. This policy isn't thought out or rational whatsoever. It's basically a "foreigners bad" type policy that just floated into Trump's brain one day, and that's about all there is to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    He's been banging on about other countries trade surplus with the United States, tariffs, defense spending etc for around 40-years now. You'd think that would be enough time for him to have conversations with people who could teach him what tariffs are.

    I can only come to the conclusion he does actually know - But implementing them suits his agenda. Whether that's to intentionally crash the US economy, win concessions in other things, or something else…..who knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Worst thing for pharma industry here would be for EU to respond with tariffs on us pharma companies. If eu responded with tariffs on us pharma they would have no reason to operate base in the EU if they are going to get tariffed the same as us companies with no base in the EU. would be a double whammy for them companies. No backlash tarriffs from EU and most them MNC will stay in ireland, albeit with less investment i would imagine but would manufacture here for EU an ROW markets and invest more in us for us market.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Any EU response will most likely be at the IT companies and other services - you know that 109Billion surplus that the US has with the EU that Trump conveniently never mentions. This unfortunately is double whammy for us.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,304 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    I don't think you understand how tariffs work. Tariffs are on imports. Pharma companies located here won't be subject to tariffs on products they sell to the EU. If they leave the EU and produce their products in the US then they would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Tariffs are the only tool in his box without relying on Congress. But he seems to be using these on-again-off-again tariffs to get some leverage. Very few are implemented. His credibility is already in tatters re tariffs. There was supposed to be a Senate vote yesterday on revoking the proposed Canada tariffs because the underlying reason (fentanyl) was a lie. It got pushed to today.

    I think he will waffle about big tariffs again tonight but I don't see US actually implementing them to any great degree. I am most interested in learning what he actually wants in concessions from EU etc. He may not actually know himself but he might give us more clues into his mindset. It could be a complete anticlimax.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Yep but pharma industry is probably most important sector for ireland so i would rather EU go that route then tariffing pharma here too along with trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭Baba Yaga


    i dont think he has much understanding of anything unless its to do with himself…i get the feeling most of his "best,biggliest" ideas pop into his head when hes sitting on the pot…

    yo! donnie vonredactedpants,vlad putin,benji netanyahu,vic orban..you sirs are the skidmarks on the jocks of humanity!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    I don't Think you understood my post, I'm saying i don't want EU to tariff American pharma companies that have manufacturing in Ireland(EU) like trump will as they would have no reason to stay in the eu if they are getting tariffed regardless of their location.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭randd1


    If the EU put a tariff on US pharma, would US pharma companies keep their European operations open and simply make the drugs here instead, thus avoiding the tariffs as the products themselves would be EU made, and thus not subject to a tariff?

    And judging by news stories, such as China/Japan/South Korea joining together to combat US tariffs, the UK increasingly wanting asking is America trustworthy, Canada and Europe flirting about an improved trade and energy deal, the EU talking about investing more in Africa, all these stories popping up, am I the only one looking at this whole Trump driven tariff war against the world to get the impression that the rest of the world is now looking at America and saying to themselves "you know what, we don't actually need anything from them" and that all these tariffs will amount to is no-one trusting America and moving away from them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,923 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    There is still hope for the USA.

    Musk assumed he could buy the Supreme Court in Wisconsin with his grubby money and failed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Yes I'm hoping that would be the case and its not just blanket reciprocal tariff by EU on us pharma even located in the EU and supplying to EU market.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,091 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I'm waiting for tonight's Rose Garden announcement from Trump on what will be in his tariffs and whom they will be aimed at. Until he actually says it, and has Karoline give it to the media as a press release in print [maybe], I think it would be good to hold fire in case he does not go full throttle on the tariffs he's been indicating he has in mind.

    Given how he has changed his position on his proposed tariffs recently, he might claim he has gotten enough from the other side in trade discussions - good deal claims from him - that he is able to reduce the percentage rate of the tariffs he is imposing on others, feeling that he can afford to take any criticism from his own side of the house for doing so.

    I can't imagine him blinking before the combination of upset nations worldwide over his proposals but flip-flops are the order of the hour in his world. In his world, he is the best deal maker in the world and he can persuade himself to believe what he says is the God's honest truth, even when it includes flip-flops on how he conducts US trade deals, putting them down as the result of trade concessions from the others. If he flip-flops, the MAGA heads can choke on his words.

    I apologise in advance if my optimism is upsetting to others here.



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