Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

My map explained the difference in Post 41958. This map of the Afro-Eurasian landmass shows the lands held by members of the Islamic faith in green, and the worlds only Jewish state is barely perceivable in red.

If the Western Left (the ones screaming "From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be Free") and the Islamic fundamentalists got their way, then that tiny sliver of red (which is apparently too big) would be eliminated and replaced with yet more green (a section which, according to some, is too small.)

On the other hand, if Ben Gvir etc are as evil as you claim and they just happened to be successful beyond their wildest dreams, that tiny barely perceivable sliver would still be tiny and barely perceivable. However, the Israel of Likuds dreams would be easier to defend - as I explained in previous posts about how Israel has geography that is beyond horrifying.

If you believe that both Jews and Muslims should have at least one (militarily defensible) state, then - if one were limited in choice to just the two positions - the Likud position makes more sense among those two options. That's not to say that there is not another option, but it would need to be detailed, in particular how it would make Israel safer from the people trying to destroy it - including the Western Left.

So you don't think Hamas should release the hostages and are justified in not doing so?

I'm not "on the left" and think Israel needs to stop mass bombing civilians and think it's leaders need to go to he Hague to answer for their crimes.

Your slivers of red and green are ridiculous, and as is your way in almost all your posts , paints all Muslims and all Jews as hive minds or huge blocks who are all exactly alike and all want to destroy the other.

You could have a map that says Ukranians are Christians and Russians are Christian, so are all the same, but plenty of differences between them isn't there?

What you also fail to mention is that barely perceivable sliver of red is ethnically cleansing the people in that even less perceivable sliver of green beside it -which was home to over 2million people - and stealing their land. If that were all to turn red, 2 million people would be gone - murdered or forced out, but that's fine to you, it's only a map eh.

Israel have killed, I believe, 96% of people in this conflict yet you claim they are the ones under threat and never spare a thought for the Palestinians being blown to bits, and label anyone who does as anti semetic for doing so.

The irony is, you are one of the most guilty parties on this site for anti semetic tropes - constantly lumping all Jews as a hive mind being supportive of complicit in this awful bloodshed, when that couldn't be further from the truth.

Hamas updated their charter years ago saying they're willing to recognise the 67 borders. That's more than Israel have done. Israel refuses to define its borders. It's constantly expanding colonizing.

Jez, your an angry Tony. I asked you a question because at no stage in your post did I see a line that says Hamas should release the hostages, just blah about even if they do Israel blah. Perhaps if you made yourself clear I wouldn't have asked. No FFSing needed.

Great to see Germany standing strong against anti-Semitism and the support of terrorist organizations—Hamas in this case. Germany famously has very strict anti-hate laws, enacted precisely because of what happened in the 1930s and 1940s, and they are not afraid to enforce them. The bad news is that these two vile individuals are probably going to end up coming back to Ireland.

In other news, the ground offensive in Gaza is progressing as planned. There hasn’t been much coverage of it in the mainstream media over here, so I thought I'd give you guys an update. The political class appears to have decided to cut ties with Palestine—barely a word about Israel-Gaza over the last couple of weeks.

I just can't understand why Hamas won't admit defeat, return the hostages, and take the opportunity to leave Gaza. At this point, it's the only viable option they have left.

I can think of two people that if they set foot in Ireland, they be arrested and sent to The Hague to go on trial for war crimes.

Funny how two protesters are vile but it's tumbleweed as regards War Criminals.

And thanks for the update on the continuing Genocide that's going as planned. Delighted for you.

That's some sad excuse.

That's scary. The fact that people can be deported without a trial or any criminal charges is bad.

The deportation orders were originally refused by the Berlin immigration office, the individuals involved said, but that decision was overturned following pressure from the Berlin interior department.

It appears to be entirely politically motivated. The police weren't involved and even the immigration office refused to take action.

And no evidence was provided to support the decision. Or at least there's nothing in the article.

Editing to add: Here's an article from an israeli magazine which has a lot more info.
https://www.972mag.com/germany-deport-foreign-residents-palestine-activism/

That is a pathetic excuse for Hamas holding onto the hostages.

As I have said from the start, if Hamas had realised their mistake and released all the hostages on October 8th, thousands of lives would have been saved, but that would have required Hamas and their supporters having some sympathy for ordinary Palestinians.

No Hamas supporters on here buddy.

Are you claiming to have sympathy for ordinary Palestinians now? Because when I saw you label murdered women and children as possible female terrorists and child soldiers, it didn't look too sympathetic.

Nor when you were telling us that all about how Palestinians don't like gay people or have equal rights for women, which has nothing at all to do with people being disgusted by Israel blowing them up, as particularly sympathetic.

Neither is it sympathetic when you are incapable of mentioning one single thing that you condemn that Israeli armed forces and government has inflicted on Palestinians civilians since this war started.

Re your October 8th comment - how do you explain the fact that Israel and Hamas had -via the ceasefire - an agreed path to bring hostages home, but Israel scuppered the deal and ramped up their ethnic cleansing campaign?

It's a thing called "Empathy". You probably haven't heard of it.

If you think that's empathy, then you clearly don't understand what it truly means.