Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

Equal? I mean we both know that's bullshit right?

I mean Israel have killed (at least) 50 times as many Palestinians in this slaughter. Hostage negotiations generally constitute multiples of Palestinians to Israelis. Israel slaughtered 274 Palestinians recovering 4 Israeli hostages which was championed here. During the 2018/19 right of returns protests, Israel killed 223 Palestinians to a single Israeli, 46 of which were kids. We've had a lads on here, who said what Israel are doing isn't a genocide cause Gazan numbers are up, like its an accounting trick and another who've said the Palestinians shouldn't be trusted with their own state cause of domestic abuse or some shite like that. So yeah, bullshit… I'm not even going to address the nonsense about hiding behind civilians, I mean they learned that from the Israelis. They were doing this back in 1948. I mean glass houses, stones and all that.

If Israel wants to protect its own people and defend its own borders, why doesn't it define what they are? Why does it continue to illegal annex land? I mean does that constitute its own borders? Can I take your house and claim it as my own? I mean again just to be consistent?

Do Israelis have a right of return? Of course they do. If they wanted to. I mean many of them have multiple passports anyway while the majority of Palestinians don't even have one. I think you need to have an auld listen to Avi Shlaim and see the forced displacement of Jews from Arabs lands wasn't quite the narrative we're fed. In any case yeah, the right to return should be extended to them too right?

Why have the Palestinians rejected multiple peace deals? Well to quote David Ben Gurion;

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"

A cursory look at the details of any "Peace" deals pretty much reveals why. Israel keeping its settlement banks, maintaining control over Palestinian borders and resources, controlling their airspace. Basically legitimizing its illegally annexed territory, maintaining apartheid and not giving them sovereignty.

That's convenient. You ignore the source that contains video footage of the incident and countless firsthand accounts from the people of Gaza. As I mentioned a few pages back, the humanitarian angle that supporters of Palestine have pushed on this site is merely a front. Your primary goal is the vilification of the State of Israel—the only Jewish state—and its people.

Nonetheless, I will continue to hope that the State of Israel endures and that both the people of Israel and Gaza can live the lives they deserve—lives filled with peace and prosperity. Even if that happens, supporters of Palestine in the West will still harbor a deep hatred for Israel and its people. And we all know why—that hatred stems from who they are and what they represent.

It's unbelievable, isn't it? Thousands of Palestinians gathered in Gaza last week, urging Hamas to relinquish power and release hostages immediately. Yet, you have people on this forum who claim to be acting with the best interests of the hostages and the innocent people in Gaza in mind, calling for a conditional release.

Historically, the far-Right hated the Jews - that is true. But these days I think the far-Left hates them more.

Rubbish.

The left may be against what the state of Israel are doing in the Middle Eastern region. Things like wanton murder, slaughtering paramedics, killing children and destroying civilian homes and infrastructure amongst other criminal acts tend to draw ire from people, including many Jews themselves.

NONE of that is hatred for Jews.

On the other hand, the right wing tried to exterminate the Jews in their millions only 80 years ago as the zenith of their hatred from both a religious and ethnic point of view.

You and your lot may want to try and portray criticism of a state, a state that is completely out of control with how it treats its neighbours and the second class citizens within it, as "hate", but that's a lie and what's more you know that it's a lie and everyone can see that.

Anything to say on the murders of the Health Workers and the attempt to hide the bodies??

It's unbelievable, isn't it >

15 Health Workers executed and their bodies hidden in a shallow grave and you have people still posting on here that Israel can do no wrong. Unbelievable !!

A sick and depraved society enables the summary execution of paramedics

as posted multiple times, Likud does indeed have a mantra calling for the destruction and cleansing of Palestinians.

This video shows the complete scumbaggery of the Israelis -

https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/0401/1505298-irish-surgeons-footage-shows-impact-of-israeli-hospital-strike/

They have absolutely no boundaries and there are no lows they won't reach. People who accept this and back the what they are doing aren't any netter.

There are claims of executions, beatings, kidnapping and disappearances in fairness.

Just saw that - that poor 11 year old girl. Likely to lose both legs.

Justice for war crimes must be seen to be done.

CPS decisions in cases of lethal force by armed police in England have been influenced by previous such cases, i.e. acquittal of officers who mistakenly but honestly believed that the persons who they shot posed a threat to their lives or to the lives of members of the public meant that, in some cases of fatal shooting, the CPS didn't prosecute on the grounds that a jury probably would've accepted the officers' defence. So it's reasonable to believe that the ICJ could apply a similar logic to Israel.

What risk did you think the IOF saw when they shot the guy whose hands they bound?

"According to the UN humanitarian affairs office (Ocha), the Palestinian Red Crescent (PRCS) and civil defence workers were on a mission to rescue colleagues who had been shot at earlier in the day, when their clearly marked vehicles came under heavy Israeli fire in Rafah city’s Tel al-Sultan district. A Red Crescent official in Gaza said that there was evidence of at least one person being detained and killed, as the body of one of the dead had been found with his hands tied."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/31/israel-killed-15-palestinian-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-one-by-one-says-un

Exactly.

We have two deeply untrustworthy actors at play here with HAMAS and Israel and it's utterly ridiculous to be coming out with statements about how things are going to proceed if one party does something. Statements to the effect of "HAMAS should hand over the hostages and everything will be grand" are easily proven empty because of Israel's past behaviour, where they have shown nothing but a deceitful and dishonest course of action time and time again.

The bottom line is this, the hostages are the only card that HAMAS have to play even if that means Israel will keep murdering Palestinians. But even if HAMAS hand over the hostages, there is absolutely no guarantee that Israel won't simply carry on, murderous business as usual, because it appears that Netanyahu and his band of psychos don't want this current round of killing to end.

The fact of the matter is this, however…HAMAS were complying with the ceasefire deal that was in place that would have seen the return of all the hostages. It was Israel who reneged on it.

And we all know why.

Ah yes. And he had a winning lottery ticket in his pocket. Do you believe that too?