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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    A kick in the teeth. Hardly. They will still have tickets and many ticket holders are joint venue ticket holders. Its clearly not a minority and its clearly been evident that a sizeable number of fans in southern area of province clearly felt annoyed at so many games being in limerick and it would be crazy to dismiss an opportunity to have a 40000 crowd at home in the province for a vital european game instead of just 25000



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Of course, the reason so many games were in Limerick is because it's where the home ground is. Most, if not all, Cork/Waterford/Kerry supporters understood that and didn't have a problem with it.

    I'll trust you when you say most season ticket holders are dual-venue ones as I have no proof to the contrary. Personally myself, the wife and about 10 other of our friends go to every TP game and the odd MP game, we're all considering our season tickets this morning

    If true then Munster Rugby needn't worry about any backlash from the Thomond STHs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Personally myself, the wife and about 10 other of our friends go to every TP game and the odd MP game, we're all considering our season tickets this morning

    I don't believe this is actually true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭phog


    There was never a time when TP held all of Munster's competitive games, some were always held in Cork. The fact that both our competitions have evolved and that has meant a reduction of the number of pool games is hardly the fault of Munster.

    Every fan/supporter of Munster should be happy to see Munster available of an opportunity to increase their income



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We live in a country of religious freedom so believe what you want

    Some URC/Pro/Magners/Celtic League games were always held in Musgrave Park. During the reconstruction of Thomond I think all games were played there. That was a time when tickets were very hard to get and I was not one of the lucky few at the time so open to correction

    The change in structure was, of course, outside of the clubs control but the moving of one of our premier games to a GAA stadium is very much within their control

    It's a professional game where we have to pay our players and coaches etc etc. If they make money from this, which is obviously no guarantee, then yeah more power to them, they'd be silly not to try and improve the finances



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Games getting moved do make financial sense though. Otherwise it wouldn't be a consideration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Before the Celtic League Munster held H/Cup and InterPro games in Cork.

    During the reconstruction of Thomond we played H/Cups in a reduced capacity Thomond Park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Right now Thomond is failing to fill even for Champions Cup. Personally I think it's down the success of the Limerick hurling team especially at this time of year.

    I would very much doubt matches played in Cork would have this issue. Cork people love their rugby and man for man has a bigger rugby population. When last did a schools side from Limerick win the Senior Cup?? It's been Christians/Pres the last 3 years

    Surely a fair option is to pay the odd match in PAIRC which helps satisfy both counties



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    What relevance does pres or christians dominating the schools cup have to this discussion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Noticed that, on check the CC match back in December '24 against Stade Francais pulled less than 18k...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭Deagol


    Not a single game - this I said from the off was the thin end of the wedge. First it was a 'one off' SA game, then it was another - now it's one EPCR match. How long before it's the Xmas derby match and then every 'home' ECPR match? Giving up home advantage for a few shillings is showing just how much winning matters vs making money.

    I'm not disputing what Cork contributes. Clare, Waterford, Kerry, Tipperary all contribute too - but I haven't seen anyone mentioning having games in those counties?

    I'm not at all against Cork matches, what I'm against is having them in that god awful white elephant there. Why is Munster Rugby bailing out Cork GAA's largesse? I have been told by several different sources (several club committee members) that in fact Munster make next to nothing extra in PuC because of the charges and costs involved.

    Munster rugby has sold it's soul IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭50HX


    So munster rugby are baling out Cork gaa & played in PUC for no financial gain.

    This is tinfoil hat stuff



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,011 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    Munster hasnt sold its soul.

    Youre gettinf ridiculous now…its not going to be every european game. And having some leinster games there shouldnt be a problem. Jf there was a game a year there and the province can make a large profit to reinvest jnto either domestic clubs and schools or for top level signings for thw pro set up then its win win win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Munster Rugby along with the other 3 provinces sold its soul when we went professional.

    We should have stayed amateur, played our InterPro in Templehill and Garryowen on wet windy Friday nights where the real 100 fans turned out to shout for Munster.

    The national team could be made up of players that went abroad to play for a living



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I get the feeling they're eventually going to move the interpros and the Europeans to PuC with the other URC games moved to Musgrave and their home ground converted to apartments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    If the pool games sold out in Thomond, then there would be some argument that all of the pool games should be in Limerick because of tradition and the demand being so huge for tickets there, but attendances haven't been great for the Champions cup pool stages the last few years. If we can sell out PUC or have a 75% full TP, it's a no brainer and it might lead to higher attendances in the games that are actually on in Limerick

    (I'm based in Clare, so i'd way prefer to see all the games in TP from a convenience pov, but for the club to succeed, we need to grow the fan base and keep bringing in the revenue we need to keep the show on the road.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Ideally you want to grow the fan base but without pissing off your current fan base, however small the current fan base is. There's no point in dropping 10,000 Limerick based STHs for 5,000 Cork based ones for example

    Like yourself, I'd like to see more games in TP, but if Munster want to give Limerick the middle finger they're within their rights to. Don't expect us to be happy about it though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭budhabob


    So....what's our best centre partnership with Nanks out. Scannells boot could be handy, but I think SOB might be a better shout, with thakir on the wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Is Andrew Smith in the H/cup squad or would be have to wait til later in the competition to add players



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yeah, I agree with that.
    SOB has done a good job there this year so far and we'll need Scannell on the bench as utility cover if we are going 6-2 again for LAR

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    There is no limit on the squad size, so I imagine everyone contracted to a province is registered. But you can add some players anyway in both the pool stages and the knockouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,328 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    They won't sell out in PuC either. Using the odd marquee sellout as a basis for regular games doesn't work.

    Munster no longer sellout games regularly because the bandwagon is gone and it won't matter a damn what county games are played in.

    A game or two in PuC every year is fine with me but the attendances won't hold.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Imo PUC will always sell out for Munster, probably in record time! Look at the League final next weekend. I know it's a different sport but Cork fans are the best in the country



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I just recently came home from 30k attendance at McHale park

    PUC has consistently sold out for Munster games. There clearly is demand

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,328 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    So you are trying to argue against me saying it was a novelty match by pointing to a novelty match. Do you actually think Connacht have 30k match going fans.

    "Consistently" also isn't a word you can use when you are talking about 2 games.

    Having the odd game there is a good idea but it's folly to think that the attendances would be better than Limerick if every game was there based on the few games seen so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,704 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I'm not trying to argue against you. Just trying to imagine what would happen under various conditions

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,366 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Munster should be playing in Cork because A) the province was partially based there for many years and B) it’s where most Munster fans live. Crazy that it’s taken until now to make arrangements that could allow regular matches there. And even crazier for the province not to play there given they can sell more tickets. Munster fans should be happy that the suits are at least showing signs of commercial creativity, they’ve not done much else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 593 ✭✭✭CONSI


    Munster need to focus more on winning games than worrying about where they are being played. Always talk of the Leinster game going to Cork, however munster have waved the white flag at this fixture the last few years, resting players and not putting out the strongst available side. If Munster win games, bigger crowds go to games, its the same across all sports. If Munster do move the Leinster game and an ERC game to Cork, does that mean less games in Musgrave? Thats two big games gone from Limerick, Tipp, Clare, North Kerry/North Cork supporters. A lot of the issue aswell with smaller crowds is the time of games, which are fixed to suit TV, late kick offs on Friday and Saturdays will never help with getting a crowd into games, especially during the winter. If Munster do move games to PUC they need to let fans know what they are making from it. It was widely reported that Leinster made upwards of €1million from the Croke Park game v Munster. Munster fans would understand if Munster rugby came out and said, we are moving game because we will make €5/600k, its good financially and helps us stay competitive in terms of salaries etc, but we also need to know what we are paying Cork GAA for this. I think moving knock out games to Cork is harsh aswell and doesnt reward the fans that did go to group games in Nov or January when 10k people went.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,897 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Munster should be playing in Cork because…

    Munster regularly play matches in Cork at a place called Musgrave Park. I make my way there from Limerick for most of the matches that are on there every season and believe you me, it's definitely in Cork.

    Also Musgrave Park is a fantastic stadium, you should go for that reason alone

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,227 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Munster do play regular matches in Cork and have always been 'partially' based there. The Munster Branch HQ is in Musgrave Park and they play URC matches there every season.

    Also there are 6 counties in Munster, not 2. The idea that most Munster fans live in Cork just because it's the biggest county is highly flawed.

    Most peoples issues aren't that a bigger game will be played in Cork, it's that they don't like watching rugby in a GAA stadium that is a good 40-45 minute walk from the city centre.



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