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M4 - Maynooth to Leixlip [constr. of inbound bus lane underway;planning and design underway on rest]

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  • #362
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122801678#Comment_122801678

    I'm not a green? How can a bus lane not be a meaningful improvement? It's literally giving priority to public transport over private, increasing reliability and speed. Is it too much or too little for you?



  • #363
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    It is a meaningful improvement for bus services, but it’s fairly clear from your posts that it will have no direct benefit to your commute. It's fine to be upset about that, but it doesn't make the scheme worthless.

    The “safety” argument is a bit bogus: there's already a bus-lane on the N4 all the way from the eastern end of M4 to the M50. Chaos has not reigned; people haven't been trapped in their cars. This project extends that bus-lane further out, along the M4. Yes, that's a motorway road, but so what? Despite the vibe on here sometimes, “Motorway” isn't a religion - it's just a set of traffic regulations; putting special lanes on a motorway is normal practice near to cities.

    If people really objected to the bus lane on the grounds of "it's a motorway; it needs shoulders", then there's an easy answer: motorway restrictions can easily be removed from M4 for the length of the scheme. It was only a ministerial order that made this road a motorway in the first place.



  • #364
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 42,832 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122801524#Comment_122801524

    Why don't we spend money trying to improve what we actually have rather than throwing money at nonsense.

    Regularly, there are queues on the M4 and onto the N4 all the way to the M50 (and beyond). However, from J5 on the N4 onwards, people sitting on a bus are not held up by people who made the choice (for whatever reason) to drive. You don't see queues of busses blocking each other - they're moving along!
    Jesus, the very fact that someone on a bicycle can often travel faster along the N4 than those in cars should make you realise that sitting in your car is not the optimal solution you seem to think it is.
    In order to move people quickly, the reality is that you need to move them along in groups aka mass transit. You cannot do this properly if they are in cars. You cannot move them along swiftly if they are stuck behind a queue of people in cars. In addition, the more people that move via public transport, the less make the choice to drive and therefore traffic should lighten for those that actually need to drive.
    That you need this simple concept explained to you speaks volumes about your understanding of the subject!

    But no, what we get is a stupid & childish accuastion that someone who wants to travel quicker is a "green gowl" 🙄



  • #365
    I told ya
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭I told ya


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122801764#Comment_122801764

    The M4 Leixlip to Maynooth section was opened about 30 years ago as a motorway. A green field new build, there was no existing duel carriage way.

    There were a number new build duel carriage ways that were subsequently designated motorway status, e.g. N6 Kinnegad to Athlone.



  • #366
    KrisW1001
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,408 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122802363#Comment_122802363

    My mistake. This part of M4 was indeed opened as a motorway in 1994.

    Re: N6, yes. Like most of the current motorway network it didn't start out as a motorway, and was only made one by Ministerial order in 2009. The act below has the full list in it, and it gave Ireland a large motorway network practically overnight without an inch of tarmac being laid.

    S.I. No. 255/2009 - Roads Act 2007 (Declaration of Motorways) Order 2009

    Legally, you need an order like this for every motorway, regardless of whether it's a new build or an already existing road. Because this is a legal process, it is also possible for a Minister to extinguish motorway restrictions on any part of the network, and make a road general purpose again, but that has never been done to date.



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  • #367
    cgorzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 ✭cgorzy


    Regarding the opening of the bus lane is there a plan to resurface the existing lanes Eastbound prior to opening the new bus lane or will it be opened in advance of any resurfacing? Noise levels are awful, in my opinion, in that section. It’s difficult to tell how much better the noise level is Westbound where it is already resurfaced but hopefully having both resurfaced would improve the overall levels.



  • #368
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,319 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    If people really objected to the bus lane on the grounds of "it's a motorway; it needs shoulders", then there's an easy answer: motorway restrictions can easily be removed from M4 for the length of the scheme. 

    Ahem! I'm going to pretend I didn't hear that!
    Any attempt to downgrade expensive infrastructure should be resisted strongly.



  • #369
    Redsoxfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    This makes it seem like they won't be finished until April 2025?

    https://kildarecoco.ie/Adverts/ExtensionofRoadWorksSpeedLimitOrderNRO22024-M4.html



  • #370
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    It's good that the design and planning are underway but when is this going to construction?

    (Or some other way to try and be polite asking a mod to update thread title… in your own time)



  • #371
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,319 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Updated.



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  • #372
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,723 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Divil a word on this lately. What is expected completion



  • #373
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,161 ✭✭✭buffalo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123307716#Comment_123307716

    They announced last week that they're closing the road for further work overnight for two weeks in April:

    https://kildarecoco.ie/Adverts/TemporaryClosingofRoads-NoticeofIntention-M4J6-J5.html



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