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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Says the poster making straw men all over the place, I dont like wallace or daly and somehow that makes me a pro-imperialist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Fascinating how those labelling everyone as “imperialist” are also cheering for Russian imperial war of expansion and colonisation

    Just like Wallace and Daly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Does Western imperialism normalising RTE regularly show the frequent million strong pro-Palestinian marches in Yemen.
    Do they explain in detail why those pro-Palestinian protests happen in Yemen but not in say Jordan or Egypt. They could if they wanted but no, that kind of thing is ignored & left unexplored (not considered relevant or even news by the narrative managers).

    If one habitually consumes such platforms for foreign affairs despite it being an insult to ones intelligence don’t be surprised if you are considered pro-imperialist.

    Mod edit: poster warned

    Post edited by Irish Aris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    So just more shouting into the void with vague pejorative insults instead of engaging on the topic re wallace and daly?

    Whats you opinion regarding Mick Wallace stealing from his employees pensions? Or what about his under declaring of tax to the tune of 1.5 million? Are they the actions of a pro or anti imperialist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 616 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Stop talking sense about Wallace and grommet will you. It's upsetting their fan base on thread.

    The pair of them should be arrested for supporting terrorism on their return home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,468 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Mick is anti-American, so clearly his stealing pension funds from employees was actually for the greater good and striking a blow against the capitalist system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Here is “Eastern” Arab media talking about slavery in Yemen

    Are you good with slavery as you are with imperial wars of conquest by Russian colonisers?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Whats you opinion regarding Mick Wallace stealing from his employees pensions? Or what about his under declaring of tax to the tune of 1.5 million? Are they the actions of a pro or anti imperialist?

    I don’t condone that of course. He did eventually pay the €49k pensions and the €2.1m in VAT.
    Dislike him for that, none of my concern.

    I don’t know anyone who supports the US genocide in its colony on the Med.
    He is one of only a handful of people that has or is given a large platform who speaks out against Western imperialism. I follow many like W & D on SM who will never be on any Irish media.

    So the question is why are there so few voices like his on “ our “ media?
    Isn’t the obvious truth that the MSM are a completely unrepresentative media whose job is to sell the normalisation of imperialism, war & genocide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Well firstly when MEPs despite their own claims at the count centers last year they both consistently refused to talk to Irish Journalists even at one stage calling building security on a journalist who had simply knocked on their office door in Brussels door to ask them some questions.

    The reason for this was while MEPs they were able to get away with this level of nonsense as they had a consistent platform that was regularly recorded and televised when they spouted off their nonsensical diatribes on the floor of the EU parliament. The access to that platform meant they didn't have to talk to journalists, and the reality is they were very happy with this as it meant they got to avoid being asked uncomfortable questions like what happened on RTE the other day. Now however without any elected platform they are forced to agree to these media requests as without them they have no other platform. However this also directly contradicts your claim they arent covered by our media outlets by the very fact she Daly was on the radio this week and i have seen several articles about them both this week.

    Secondly why do they deserve to be given any platform whatsoever when they were soundly rejected as political representatives in both elections last year. And its not like we don't have very similar voices in the forms of Paul Murphy, RBB and Catherine Connolly et al who regularly appear and are heard from on all forms of Irish media. What is unrepresentative about any of that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wallace has NOT paid the VAT back.

    If it had been RT or CCTV knocking on their office door they'd have been only too happy to talk to them, as they have on many other occasions. Funny isn't it.

    And RBB and co are over-represented on RTE and other Irish media, if anything.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Mick Wallace makes €2.1m Revenue settlement
    A Revenue settlement is the final, agreed sum but does not imply payment has been made.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/mick-wallace-makes-2-1m-revenue-settlement-1.1064343

    My error – misleading headline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    when they spouted off their nonsensical diatribes on the floor of the EU parliament.

    This is the core of the issue IMO: you don’t like them because they espouse socialist and anti-imperialist values. And you think that entire political world view is nonsense.

    Let me pose a 2 part question so- In a country like the US (where most Irish have relatives) which has long claimed of itself to be different from its rivals because it has a democratic & representative form of government. How do you explain theses foreign policy events:
    Laos was bombed from 1964-1973 without the publics knowledge. Was that a choice of Americans? Well that seems ridiculous to ask, but is this what the American people debated, wanted or clamored for?

    The US funded & sent in death squads to El Salvador or Nicaragua in the late 70s to overthrow its socialist government. Their MO was to hack peoples limbs off and hang 20 or 30 bodies off bridges to intimidate the citizens. Is that a policy that the US public discussed and demanded.

    That looks to me like what Kings & Caesars did hundreds or thousands of years ago?
    Can you explain why it is ‘nonsensical’ to ascribe the savagery evident in the world to a small ruling class of savages who consider themselves an elite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,964 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    What relevance has any of that to do with Wallace and Daly?

    I don't like them because they are overly simplistic and live in a black and white world where NATO = bad and everyone not NATO = good, therefore Russia is good and Ukraine is bad.

    I dont think the US actions where they overthrew regimes to install increasingly unstable regimes that then eventually lost control of was a good thing, I also dont think their constant meddling in the middle east is good either, BUT I also don't think NATO is inherently evil either, especially in the context of Russias invasion of Ukraine. Yet somehow this in your eyes will still make me whatever the fvck it is you have defined as an imperialist as in your head.

    But again this is my problem with them and people like yourself, every single political event, theory or event is a shiboleth test and if you fall on the opposite side to them or yourself on just 1 topic then you are declared the anti-christ. Sure it happens as well if somehow you don't have an intricate knowledge of varied complex and specific events to be able to choose option a or b then you are dismissed as being selfish or not caring enough and again dubbed as the anti-christ.

    And finally….. I knew i could eventually get you to reply to me 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    One does need to read past the headline. A settlement is not the same thing as a payment.

    The Wexford TD believes that none of the money will be paid to Revenue because his company is insolvent and he is not personally liable.

    A "socialist" who greatly enriched himself at taxpayer expense, defrauded the Revenue, stole from his own workers, and then uses limited liability to run away from the debts he created, including the debt he created by knowingly making a false VAT return, which he admits to in that article. He should have been jailed.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    This is probably a failure to communicate maybe due to words not being adequate.
    If one hasn’t decolonised one’s mind from capitalist propaganda then the things socialists say may appear black & white.
    The US emits great PR claims for itself. So did the British empire, so did the French empire, so did both imperial and Nazi Germany. If anyone still believes US PR about being the worlds policeman and fighting for freedom, democracy, human rights and free trade then without some mental decolonisation what anti-imperialists say just IS going to hurt your feelings.
    I don’t really blame people for voting for their own oppression – some know with virtual certainty what would happen if we tried to dismantle capitalism here (I think its against the constitution anyway). If one can’t change the political economy they live under they are just slaves (with wifi & central heating but still slaves).

    The background to the case is that Wallace’s business started to fail. Fairly normal in this oppressive disguised feudalist system that we all love deep in our hearts! As a motive, business failure is not equivalent to the intentional type of sleazy embezzlement & corruption that is so common here (esp among the politicians).
    He then did unwise things to try to keep his business going. IF, he had misdeclared VAT and spent the (non-existent) money on buying Ferraris or buying houses for his children then I wouldn’t have any time for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why are you making excuses for him? He admitted it. He stole from everyone in Ireland and stole more from his own employees.

    It was not "unwise", it was fraud.

    He did buy himself a nice vineyard and then "sold" it to his brother for a euro. To evade creditors natch.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    According to the IT in 2023: "he previously owned a vineyard in Italy but sold it in 2009 to his brother".
    However, the building business ran into trading problems only in 2009-2011 during the crash, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Clare is suing the Sunday Times

    https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2025/05/09/former-mep-clare-daly-alleges-defamation-in-article-published-weeks-before-2024-european-elections/

    Ms Daly is suing over a Sunday Times story regarding her alleged links to a Lithuanian diplomat, Algirdas Paleckis, who was prosecuted by the Lithuanian security services for passing information to Russia.

    The article, published on May 28th, 2024, alleged Ms Daly had, in November 2021, provided Mr Paleckis, then under house arrest pending an appeal, with the email address of dissident republican Liam Campbell. It alleged that the two men were later in contact.

    In 2021, Mr Campbell, from Dundalk, Co Louth, was fighting an attempt to extradite him to Lithuania on foot of terrorism charges which were later dropped.

    In 2009, he was one of four men found civilly liable in a case taken by families of victims of the 1998 Omagh bombing. He was never prosecuted in connection with the bombing, in which 29 people died.

    Daly describes this butcher as a 'political prisoner'

    “Any dealings I have had with any political prisoners has always been anchored in the work of the cross-party Oireachtas group on prisoner conditions and reinforcing the peace process, ” her statement said.

    “I’ve known Liam Campbell through that work since 2012 and attended the trial of his brother Michael in Lithuania along with TDs Éamon Ó Cuív, Martin Ferris and Maureen O’Sullivan.”

    Ms Daly said: “I am taking this very seriously in the context of foreign interference in the elections.”

    The last sentence, you just could not make it up.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭poop emoji


    I wonder what she spends them roubles on and where



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    Clare says Paleckis was imprisoned for espionage on the testimony of a convicted pedophile & secret evidence even the judges could not see?
    Do you know what that secret evidence is or want to give an educated guess what it most likely is?
    Maybe this secret evidence will be exposed by the intrepid ST legal team?



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,737 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod - Some posts, and replies that quote them have been deleted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,433 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Paleckis seems an odd duck though I can see how his attempts at rewriting soviet history are appealing to clare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,311 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It'll all come out in the wash - assuming Clare doesn't fold of course.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 138 ✭✭Lucien_Sarti


    RE: the Sunday Times hit-piece …. Ah man. Once you read more of that trollery, even at the most superficial level, the worse it gets (or the more simplistically straightforward it gets to be precise).
    The facts are clear.
    So any and ALL of CD’s dealings with prisoners were in a cross party committee. This was not about favouring any one prisoner or any particular crime category.

    Big picture: Daly & Wallace were doing good numbers off & online, improving all the time, the Euro elections were imminent, so the Murdoch kkklan looked at the easily predictable outcome of a defamation case under the Irish court system (due to “expert” legal advice which you can buy when you’re a billionaire obvs) and judged that the cost was worth it, like spare change at the back of the couch for these *****

    • to completely make up a lie out of thin air about espionage & spying

    (and OF COURSE CD was going to sue due to this cringe worthy low quality fabricated lie!

    Bingo – Front page Hit piece published.

    ST.jpeg

    Also to note:- the huge print headline was designed to be read by people who didn’t even buy the ST that day. It is not unreasonable to assume that 10 or 100 times the amount of people who didn’t buy the ST or any billionaire owned newspaper that day saw the headline (many newstand pillars in shops are set up so one can’t help but see headlines as you go to & from the till - which is by design, retail hotspots…)

    So as a standard hit job on socialists, even for this thread this has to rank as 0/10 (I don’t give minus scores, that might change in future).

    Q: Are any people who uncritically swill anti-socialism from the MSM, like its their daily tea or coffee, embarrassed by this clownish scummy carry-on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭mikethecop


    Q: Are any people who uncritically swill anti-socialism from the MSM, like its their daily tea or coffee, embarrassed by this clownish scummy carry-on?

    A. No generally creatures like those two who are bought and paid for by terrorists and war criminals are generally disliked by those they betray. Think Quisling ,Petain, Arnold

    both daly and wallace are known and will forever be known grifters and crooks bought and paid for by some of the most evil regime's in modern history . pinning your colours to their mast is hard to factor .

    mick pay back that money he stole yet ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭scottser


    Daly was a hard working and respected TD. Her support of Iran against US sanctions was from the perspective of how average Iranians would be affected by the oppression of the ruling theocracy, not in support of it. She has been hugely critical of American overreach in world affairs and rightly so as we are seeing that soft power being leveraged against us by King Donny. Granted though, her take on Ukraine is so up her arse it has clinkers.

    She used to be a decent skin and it's a shame she's getting fucked over so much, especially when you look at the shower of absolute gowls populating the Dail these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭REDBULL68


    She lost ,get over it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭poop emoji


    Neh it’s important that those who defend and work for Putin’s regime are called out and named and shamed

    Imho these two can f**k off to Russia and experience the place for themselves first hand, hey they even get to use all them dirty roubles then

    We still have journalists who are not afraid to do investigative work and not afraid of falling out of windows or being assassinated for criticising foreign agents



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