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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-27/trump-s-tariffs-threaten-to-endanger-the-cheap-american-car?srnd=homepage-europe

    So he threatened car makers to not put up prices

    Putting aside for a minute that in a normal administration a Republican threatening businesses and capitalism would itself be a scandal

    That is as much of an admission as we at we are going to get that Trump does realise that his tarrifs are highly inflationary and a form for tax on Americans, especially the poorer ones



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    If you mess with the rules and ways of working with international business, these are the challenges you’ll face. We know that the MAGA machine isn’t intelligent enough to predict unintended consequences of its actions - fine if you wish to face off to the rest of the world but that won’t prevent the green shoots of displeasure growing on your home turf.
    They did a very good job prepositioning “some pain” for Americans throughout the election as they strived towards MAGA- lets see just how much pain ordinary Americans are willing to take - they probably don’t know it but ordinary Americans have the power to bring down Trump - but do they have the motivation ? Let’s see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭Rawr


    If they had that meeting, it might have been fun if they had conducted the entire thing in Greenlandic Inuit. Then you'd have that cretin Vance having to choose between trying to get an interpretor or just stuggle along with a language that was totally alien to him. It would be a nice little thematic reminder of how rediculous the idea of Greenland becoming part of the US really is.

    They could also do the same in Danish for similar effect, but I feel that using the local language would have had more of a poetic stab to it :P



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,379 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Tariffs are all he's got in terms of that might look like a "Political" "Policy". He doesn't know what they really are, or even how to use them properly, it's just something he knows he can say that he can do in the attempt to look like he's actually a President.

    At very best (and this is maybe giving him too much credit) the car tariff might just be an attempt to distract from the recent stupid actions of his hand-picked "best people". Expect non-sensical tariffs every-single-time Donnie is feeling a bit inadequate, and given that he's a pathetic little shard of a man…that's going to be often.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭tarvis


    The time has come for Ireland Inc to take its eyes off the US and prioritise it’s sales efforts to the rest of the world - - - the places our lower Ministers visit on March 17.
    The US is a lost cause - its greatness is behind it. It is just a part of a continent and there are five continents - 4•5 markets ready to trade.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Plus even with the Biden chips act the US military got exemptions to continue buying Chinese manufactured chips just to keep its weapons updated.

    All any tariff announcement does is satiate hard core Trumpers.

    It's odd to see a populist in Argentina who styles himself in the Trump manner do the exact opposite by removing trade barriers that have been there since the Peron era.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    I have no indepth knowledge about specific companies in this line of work ,however in my opinion its places like this which will be hit hardest if tariffs go-ahead. We could see massive closures of distillers/ brewing companies. If a bottle of whisky was to cost say 50 dollars and a 200% tariff goes on it, noway will consumers buy it. Hopefully this is all bluster by Trump. If not what's coming is a genuinely scary thought for the whole country.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Never mind whiskey

    These tarrifs will add 3000 to 6000 dollars to an average car even if it’s a US company

    That’s a few years worth of eggs right there

    We are about to learn how hollow the crocodile tears about what did turn out to be transitory inflation under Biden are

    https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/us-car-buyers-face-higher-prices-less-choice-under-trumps-tariffs-2025-03-28/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    ….prioritise it’s sales efforts to the rest of the world - - - the places our lower Ministers visit on March 17.”

    Excellent point! Just what have our politicians achieved from these “rest of the world” visits? Now is certainly the time to start asking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,603 ✭✭✭jj880


    Russell Crowe, Jimmy Carr, Tubs and Ronan Keating are all investors in it. Maybe Crowe has a fan base in Canada to organise a few big orders.

    Not that I care much about investors like Tubs with his RTE slush fund cash he refused to return but it's the workers there that will get hammered. Not many jobs about the upper end of Donegal in the booze business. Pubs and nightclubs closing everywhere.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭randd1


    Am I the only one that thinks if a foreign country is decent enough to acknowledge St Patricks day that it's no big deal if we send a politician over to help foster a good relationship with them as a thank you for their recognition of our national day?

    And almost all of these trips involve meetings with business leaders or politicians to promote trade or investment as well.

    Of all the things to complain about, building international relationships and possible trade/investment, or simply acknowledging a gesture of recognizing our national day, are well down the list of problems in regards of the governance of this country for me.

    As for politicians complaining about it, they'd be the first ones on the plane if they had the chance, so let's ignore their cries of foul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m clearly not complaining about our politicians visiting these countries - I’m simply asking the question, aside from a hangover and a few nights in a five star hotel, what have they achieved in terms of business growth and new markets? It’s a very simple question - so sorry to disappoint you, but you’ve got the complete wrong end of the stick here



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭randd1


    I'm just speaking in general. I don't get the furore over these trips in general.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    They’ve been viewed in the past as junkets - a ministerial perk - they need to move from that to become part of an actual business development strategy for Ireland - politicians who go need to be spearheading clear objectives and achieving those objectives - and in fairness that will do their image no harm so it’s in their interest to take these trips seriously



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 368 ✭✭tarvis


    my point was in no way intended as a complaint. It was to suggest we double even triple our efforts to sell our goods across the world and not just to the next door continent- and not just on one day of 365. It will be harder going due to language differences and distances. The US is not our only option.
    Our Taoiseach and Tanaiste might grace other countries with their presence some March 17ths



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    There are other types of tariffs, like naming rights meaning a cheese sold in the EU can only be called feta if it's made in Greece, so Irish and other producers adapted by simply calling their version "Greek style cheese".

    The consumer isn't really affected, however Trump's tariff doctrine really is a daily inflicted punch in the balls for US consumers.

    Even before he got reelected cocoa and coffee prices have seen a massive rise in response to Chinese consumer demand.

    Irish producers might lose US customers to Trump tariffs but there's pockets of rising consumer demand all over the world.

    There's half a billion Spanish speaking potential consumers in the rest of the Americas that can be targeted by Irish food exporters.

    English language intransigence can be overcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭randd1


    "English language intransigence can be overcome."

    The way AI and language translation apps are going, dealing in other languages isn't going to be much of a problem in the near future. The only problem will be coping with regional dialects or local slang.

    As it is, you could nearly converse over the internet with a random stranger just by using google translate.

    Or if you're hoping to deal with Latin America, hire a Spanish person.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    Face to face dealing still better than sending a local language prospectus, although that's exactly how German train makers overtook the British in South America in the 19th century.

    The Brits had invested in rail tracks for phosphate mining and had assumed they had those markets tied up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    I don't understand why Denmark has not yet used the UN, NATO or the ICJ about Trump's continuous threats.

    They could have by now requested an emergency meeting at the UN Security Council in reference to under Chapter VII of the UN Charter and seek to invoke articles 41 immediately, and be prepared to invoke article 42 if it comes to it

    Article 41
    The Security Council may decide what measures not involving the use of armed force are to be employed to give effect to its decisions, and it may call upon the Members of the United Nations to apply such measures. These may include complete or partial interruption of economic relations and of rail, sea, air, postal, telegraphic, radio, and other means of communication, and the severance of diplomatic relations.

    Article 42
    Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

    The could have by now invoked Article 4 of the NATO Treaty.

    "Under Article 4 of NATO’s founding treaty, members can bring any issue of concern, especially related to the security of a member country, to the table for discussion within the North Atlantic Council".

    They could have by now brought a case to the International Court of Justice.

    Trump was at it again yesterday with his threats - It's getting close to the time now where they have to invoke at least one of these - if not all 3.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    I guess as NATO members all Trump's threats are bluster until they aren't.

    Actually in the early years of NATO the US funded factions to fight the Portuguese in Angola even though Portugal was a NATO member.

    honestly I see an outright us civil war happening before an invasion of Canada and Greenland.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Just in US core inflation higher than expected

    Kiss goodbye to rate cuts


    More carnage once markets there open

    Post edited by thatsdaft on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,117 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    In Trump's mind a tariff is a stone that he uses to throw at people he doesn't like.

    I'm convinced that he, either, A. hasn't a clue what genuine uses they can be employed for or B. is deliberately trying to tank the US economy so the likes of him and the people on his particular echelon of the American social strata can then buy up more & more at knock down prices when the inevitable downturn/crash happens.

    Both scenarios are undesirable and make him a very dangerous person to have in control of a nation's purse strings, as far as ordinary people are concerned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,139 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Reading comments from Canadians under an FT article are they are all absolutely appalled by Trump - saying they will never set foot in the US again, will boycott American goods etc. They are angry and feel incredibly betrayed by him and the MAGA crowd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,953 ✭✭✭circadian


    The Spanish spoken in South America varies wildly, to the point that someone in Uruguay would struggle to understand someone in regions of Agentina, Chile or Peru.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,980 ✭✭✭yagan


    But the grammer is the same even if they use different phrases and idioms.

    The funny thing you can have Spanish speakers from all over the Americas argue in unison that they're not the same. In my parents time someone from a different county was exotic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 483 ✭✭Will_I_Amnt


    So unfortunately Myanmar is in a terrible state following their Earthquake and have been seeking international assistance.

    A place with lots of oil & gas - high-quality jade and rubies - deposits of gold, silver, tin, tungsten, zinc, lead, and copper.

    Expect Trump to offer assistance any hour now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,204 ✭✭✭Dr Robert




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,525 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Republicans have been obsessed with the teachings of Alexander Hamilton since beginning of 20th century. They see his view of economic policy the only view.

    We have to remember Hoover used tariffs too which made the Great Depression far far worse. They don't care though. It's all about all the money going to very top.

    If budget surplus or lowering the debt meant anything then Bill Clinton would be hailed a hero by Republicans, instead he and his wife have been public enemy #1 since he announced his candidacy. Hillary was told back in 1990 by Bush Sr team the Republicans would do everything in their power to destroy them both if Bill ran for President..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    Back to the IT or Indo, cut into strips (or moss if you're in the country).



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