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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning added to OP 10/1/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Not only that, but yesterday he said he’d increase tariffs on the EU and Canada if they dared to increase trade with eachother.

    He simply doesn’t know any other way of operating, just bully and screw over whoever you’re dealing with - if you’re the bigger entity then they’ll just have to submit to your demands. But international trade doesn’t work like that, everyone is a big entity in some respect, smaller countries have trading blocs to give them more negotiating heft, and the goal is always for both parties to come away happy.

    Trump will never be a good negotiator on international trade because because he won’t accept a mutually beneficial outcome. He’s the type of person who only thinks he’s gotten a good deal if he can see the other party is visibly unhappy.



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Stock market gonna tank even further today as EU just floated directly targeting US tech giants who are basically holding up the US stock market



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,252 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    As are many businesses - if there’s a light at the end of this tunnel, it will likely be found with the development of Irish and EU agencies, supporting businesses across Europe in opening new markets to them - while such markets won’t replace America from an income perspective, it might keep them in business albeit in a reduced capacity - we absolutely have to support small business as they’re keeping people employed and need to remain when the billions from multinationals start to disappear back to the US



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Looks like Trump has become an old style mafia boss, expert at a shakedown…

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-trump-mineral-deal-russia-b2723016.html

    Donald Trump is seeking US control over all of Ukraine’s rare minerals and energy assets – including oil and gas – in extraordinary new proposals to Kyiv.

    Mr Trump’s latest proposals go far beyond the minerals deal that collapsed last month during Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous White House visit, multiple news outlets reported on Thursday.

    The new deal would see the US receive all royalties from such assets until Ukraine has paid off at least $100bn of war debt, and hand Kyiv just 50 per cent thereafter – while offering no guarantees of security from Russian aggression in return.

    Furthermore, it would hand the US a veto over any sales of the Ukrainian resources to other nations, potentially blocking any future path for Ukraine to join the European Union.

    One Kyiv official described the proposal as “robbery” to the Financial Times, while Alan Riley, an expert on energy law at the Atlantic Council, told The Telegraph: “I’ve never seen anything like it before ... I have to wonder whether the real intention might not be to force Zelensky to reject it.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭innuendo141


    This tends to be how his supporters/ilk operate too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    that's exactly the result/answer they want from Kyiv.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Well at least we have some experience with assisting small to medium businesses with updating supply chains and exploring new markets after Brexit, so I hope the EU can assist with similar here.

    We should be helping these businesses promote their products elsewhere, particularly in markets that are also having issues with the US, like Canada. As you say, it might not totally replace the US market but could keep the lights on long enough until a more trade positive president is in the White House.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,934 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yup. Trump in a nutshell. A hostile aggressive divisive lunatic. Strange strange man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I don't think for one moment the democratic party is obsessed with those issues whatsoever.

    They drove the economy on, increased employment, maintained healthcare and kept up international relations.

    When asked about those issues, they gave an answer, which was the right answer and it is right to do so. F**k bullies who pick on minority or oppressed groups. No one should have to shrink away from answering people like that.

    Some can try and paint that as them crusading on these issues, but I don't honestly see it that way.

    And as for those who "voted for their pocket", how's that working for them? Inflation wasn't solved, eggs are still expensive and a tariff war has begun, which will drive up costs more.

    But sure, blame BLM etc..

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,215 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So I assume he'll take Greenland soon the way things are going. It means turmoil in Europe and an empowered Russia. Economic turmoil on the way I think. Europe needs to stick together no matter what.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,788 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    "I'm gonna go in there and make him an offer he has to refuse"

    Chomsky(2017) on the Republican party

    "Has there ever been an organisation in human history that is dedicated, with such commitment, to the destruction of organised human life on Earth?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,168 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    "So I assume he'll take Greenland soon"

    Really? How will he do that?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Most likely like Crimea 2014 followed by a referendum where miraculously the population will do 100% uturn despite no one local voting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The film 'Canadian Bacon' worked as a comedy because of its excellent cast and sharp writing, but also because the plot was based on a completely unrealistic and absurd premise.

    It still is an absurd premise, but no longer completely unrealistic. You know you're working hard at being an arsehole if you can, in two months, make an enemy of a country that your own country had been firm friends and partners with for many decades. And not just any country, but Canada - the Ned Flanders of the Americas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,215 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Not sure yet but why else is Vance etc going there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,353 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Performances imho, Greenland feels more like the wall all over again. Something he's promising but realistically can't do. If he does then we're in incredibly uncharted territories.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,048 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    It was supposed to just be Vance's wife going as part of a PR thing, then with Greenland/Denmark giving absolutely no indication that they're going to even consider Trump's requests, it was announced Vance himself would be going too and they'd be visiting a US military base there. Now it's being reported that they're having difficulties in getting any big dignitaries to actually even meet them.

    Trump may "want" to take Greenland. Actually doing it will be an entirely different matter, and will likely leave Trump's only option being to try take it by force, which then opens up a huge international crisis.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 97,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Trump Mocked For Getting ‘Weirder By the Day’ After Calling Himself the ‘Fertilization President’ .. during a Women’s History Month celebration event at the White House on Wednesday.

    “We’re gonna have tremendous goodies in the bag for women too,” he said. “The women, between the fertilization and all the other things we’re talking about, it’s gonna be great. Fertilization. I’m still very proud of it, I don’t care. I’ll be known as the fertilization president and that’s okay.”

    It's like Poe's law. You can't tell if he's suffering from dementia or if it's incompetence or deliberate ignorance or just no filter , because anything can change tomorrow and U-turns are common.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,302 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    J6 rioter, pardoned and now lost bid for citizenship. Adios, muchacho.

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    Disclaimer: gateway pundit, so take with serious grain of salt. Can't find the story anywhere legitimate. Entertaining if true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,829 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    At this stage, Vance is going to save face.

    He announced earlier in the week he was going and then various businesses rejected a meet and greet with him and officials said they weren't invited.

    So there's close to zero purpose or merit to their trip other than not being seen to have to acknowledge a tiny little country made the VP.of the most powerful country on the planet change their plans.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,858 ✭✭✭McFly85


    I assume the original plan was to get some official meeting setup so they could get some soundbites to play in the US of Vance admonishing Greenland leadership to try and sell the idea of the US liberating them?

    Fair play to all Greenlanders for not entertaining them in any way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,782 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    I think Vance wanted to do something he thought would look powerful because of signalgate, but now all they are doing is observing the US facilities on Greenland.

    I can't see the US taking Greenland, they can build a few more bases there, on a NATO members country, as they did during the Cold War.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,829 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    The US isn't really concerned about Greenland from a security perspective, I feel Trump is only using that as an excuse when what he wants is

    A - Whatever resources are there.

    B - Be known as they guy who expanded the US borders.

    C - Because people are telling him he can't have it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    Basically ensuring the Ukraine will reject the shakedown deal and he can take the Russian side as 'Ukraine aren't interested in ending the war they started"



  • Site Banned Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    ”expanded the IS borders”

    My spellcheck keeps doing the same thing 🤓

    That Apple autocomplete AI thinks US is in same league as Islamic State these days speaks for itself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,215 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I hope you're right, nothing would surprise me with these eejits all the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,415 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think they have to be more than quiet on those issues to undo the damage they've done to the publics perception of them. They will need to come out and actively turn and disown those policies.

    Being quiet just won't cut it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 97,260 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Budgets.

    If the price of computers or cars goes up 25% then companies will simply order 25% less to stay within budget. It's not a magic money tree. And the "extra" income from Tariffs has already been spaffed up the wall because DOGE has already managed a 10% reduction in US tax take.

    UK exports followed a similar patter following the devaluation of the £ after Brexit. Claims of increased exports in £'s evaporated when measured in € or $. On the other hand imports got more expensive which included most cars and most food.

    Price gouging.

    If imports cost 25% more then domestic suppliers can increase their prices by only 20% and still be competitive. Because of volatility and greed there's a snowball's chance in hell that the extra profit will be used to build more factories or provide more long term jobs.

    Tax burden shift.

    Tariffs are minimal part of outlays for the rich and ares easily avoided by them. Land and property aren't affected. You can travel in a private jet that wasn't bought in the US. Overall it's part of the shift of the burden of taxation towards the lower classes. And stock market volatility benefits few, at the expense of pension funds and middle class holdings.

    Globally it will restrict trade. Because who wants to order stuff when the price could go up or down by 25% between order and delivery. Like customs and duty, the tariff is at entry. Buy somewhere else or wait till things settle down.

    It takes time to build factories. It takes a lot less time to workaround the law. Manufacturing bananas. Pushing a BIOS chip into an otherwise complete laptop. Compare Guaranteed Irish which means at least one employee and that half the value has to be added here, with transfer pricing such that you import something for X, paying Y for royalties or licenses or software and selling for Z.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,431 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    They arent reciprocal from him though, he is the one initiating the 1st level of tariffs or at least threatening them, the reaction to his original tariffs or threats are the reciprocal ones. So he put tariffs on Canada, Canada reacted to those but putting their own on the US, Canadas reaction is reciprocal, any further Tarriffs from Trump are simply him trying to punish Canada further by not letting him away with the original tariffs without any consequences.

    Also the simple threat of tariffs is an issue as it means people cannot make any long term plans for their businesses as they dont know what their industry's supply chains, costs or available customer base will look like in 1-2 months let alone 6 months to 2 years down the line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,048 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    "YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SAID THANKS TO PRESIDENT TRUMP FOR SAYING HE WANTS TO TAKE OVER YOUR COUNTRY!!!"



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