Come back Garron Noone! **Mod Warning in Post #654**

I don't need to, I can read statistics directly from the Irish prison service.

Why are you trying to separate black Irish nationals and white Irish nationals?

It's a bit strange that this has gone from immigrants to now being actually about the colour of skin? Werid!

Are you doing this deliberately? I'm not trying to separate anyone - I'm trying to analyse and compare data from two different links, in which ONE counts white Irish as Irish. The other counts only nationality.

Data about percentages of nationalities IN PRISON is meaningless without comparable data of nationalities OUTSIDE prison.

So if you have data for the Irish population that gives percentages of Irish nationals vs African nationals etc, like I said, do go right ahead and provide it. I couldn't see any but then I didn't spend very long looking. Which is why I gave the one I did find, and pointed out the ways in which the categories used were slightly different.

You've stumbled upon the exact issue.

If this thread was launched last week, it would've been about cups of tae and being "delicious"

But he chose to dip his toes into current political discourse, and here we are.

Yup! As is what happens when you delve into such a divisive subject. It shows just how complicated the entire situation is, so not very smart to have your first foray into speaking about it publically be a short reel on Instagram.

Thread reminds me of this :D

His views are completely mainstream just not those of the internet echo chamber populatged by cranks and trolls looking to be offended. If he had any backbone at all, he should have said just that.

Black people are over represented in prisons in every country on Earth. Asian people are massively under-represented.

Black people are also overwhelmingly the victims of violent crime. For example, 93 per cent of African Americans are killed by another African American so racism doesn't come into this issue at all.

According to the FBI, Black people committed over 60 per cent of all violent crime (Armed Robbery, Homicide and Rape) despite being just over 13 per cent of the population.

You could consider this a failure of mass immigration really as this population arrived from Africa around 400 years ago and still are massively behind in all socio-economic categories.

To get an idea, we could probably look at the UK, where only a couple of weeks ago their government published data that 1 in 4 sexual offences were caused by foreign nationals. This is despite census data showing foreign nationals make up just 9.3 per cent of the population at that time. 

I very much doubt the UK government published that a couple of weeks ago, because the last time the foreign born population was next to near 9% was over 20 years ago.

What we do know as a fact is that the overwhelming majority of sex crimes are committed by people known to the victim

"Towns and especially our cities are becoming much less safe"

Err, no they're not Garron. Love ya, but stick to the comedy.

LOL not what I said. Did you miss where I said I hadn't spent long looking. That's because I'm only vaguely interested. It's just that as a scientist, I couldn't help noticing that posters had only posted one part of the data needed to answer the question.

If you don't like the link I've found, as I said, you're more than welcome to look for a better one.

Point being that the original number given, ie, that 3.4% of the prison population are of African nationality, says nothing at all about the rates of criminality of Africans in Ireland, without some means of comparing that with even the roughest notion of the percentage of Africans in the overall population in Ireland. If 3.4% of the population are African, then they are committing crimes at the same rate as the Irish. If 1.5% are, then there's a discrepancy that may or may not be explained by criteria such as age and sex (males of all races commit more serious crimes than females) - but probably less so by smearing the guards and the whole judicial system as racist, as one poster here hastened to do.

It's noticeable that nobody got annoyed about that though. I wonder why not.

The notion that the Gardai and by extension Ireland as a whole is institutionally racist is a far left trope that gets trotted out regularly.

We had this post George Nkencho's death, seemingly the Gardai were driving around shooting black men for no reason pretty much every day of the week, except they weren't and never have been.

The far right in Ireland is Justin Barrett his chums and a few impressionable kids, they have no reach, the far left are so much slicker and well organised in comparison, but we shouldn't be putting up with either group because they both deal in complete fantasy, to the point where calling what they say misinformation is granting it too much credibility.

Because I wrongly thought trolling would be bad across boards. And was pointing it out to the person I replied to. I remembered your post. And it was intended in good faith, sorry for tagging/quoting into here.