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Would you visit USA in the current climate?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    No but it has nothing to do with the climate or Trump or whatever. I have been there a few times and just have no real desire to go back.

    I couldn't afford it anyway. I will be lucky if I can get away for a short European break this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Saw the Grand Canyon last November. It is worth seeing in reality. Shame about the way the country is going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,123 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …budget surpluses arent exactly what we believe them to be, its actually a government removing money from the economy, its argued, and i have to somewhat agree with such arguments, governments should in fact be running slight deficits, particularly in advanced economies such as ireland, we ve convinced ourselves, and possible mislabeled such, i.e. the word deficit has negative connotations, when in fact it can be and possible is a positive….

    …the dollar is also the global reserve, so in order for our global monetary system to function, it must be in deficit, virtually all the time, or we re all screwed, america has tried paying down its debts a couple of times in its past, resulting in severe recessions….

    …but this admins approach could set all of this into a tail spin, as its quickly becoming a pariah, resulting in bond yields slowly rising, due to the induced uncertainties



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    People saying theyre not going due to Trump didnt have an issue when Bush illegaly invaded Iraq causing the deaths of a million people or more and completely destabilised half of the world.

    Social media really is a binfire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I’d go this afternoon if someone paid for my flights



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    I’ve been fortunate enough to have visited New York, New Jersey, Vegas, and Florida, each offering its own unique experience. Hawaii has always been on my list, but budget hasn’t quite allowed for it yet. Personally, Trump’s presidency isn't an issue for me, as I support many of his policies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,123 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    hawaii is worth it, stunning place, only reason i truly want to go back



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,123 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    …and if you re into volcanoes, kilauea is putting on an incredible weekly show at the moment!

    …currently not erupting, but….

    …just wait till next week!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭kowloonkev




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    One of my very best friends, who is originally a native of Chicago, and her husband, acquired Canadian citizenship last year. They are very happy they did so. She is now trying to convince her mother to move to Canada to live with her and her husband, but her mother is elderly and so far is resisting! Two of her children are in college in Chicago, and she can't wait for them to graduate and come home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,947 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    I was in Vegas once (for a concert, never had any interest in going there for any other reason, it’s a really awful soulless and soul destroying kip). On the final day, on the spur of the moment, I bought a ticket for a helicopter ride to the Grand Canyon. It was one of the most thrilling and amazing things I’ve done, especially when the chopper dropped below ground level and into the canyon, looking around and seeing the walls surrounding us. I consider myself very fortunate to have had the experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,343 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    So you are going to deny yourself the opportunity to see one of the greatest wonders of the world (I've been there, it's truly jaw dropping) because you don't agree with the policies of a government of a country you don't live in and that really have little effect on you.

    Seriously, get a f**kin life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,060 ✭✭✭✭fits


    I’d go to visit family. But I’d be deleting a lot of accounts from my phone for fear they saw something they didn’t like in immigration. this phone searching stuff that’s going on is crazy. I wouldn’t go on holiday at current time.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,763 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    why is that such a strange concept to you? how extreme does a government have to be before you'd refuse to visit that country? would your reaction be the same if we were talking about israel, for example?

    and there are plenty of other natural wonders of the world. speaking for myself, my life is not less for not having seen the grand canyon. the chances of me going to see it in my lifetime are probably close to nil, i am not denying myself something by acknowledging that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,343 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    I'd love to visit Israel and the biblical sites.

    Because I don't care about the Palestinian cause anymore than I care about the cause of minorities oppressed by the Chinese, or minorities oppressed by African governments.

    I'd visit the sights in those countries just as much if I was interested.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,748 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    went through this morning, after my statement yesterday about how normally fine it is, I was grilled on why my trips were generally a few weeks at a time.
    place was jammed and the officers get fairly grumpy when that happens



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,763 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    So that's the nub of the matter; you don't care, and your reaction to someone who does is 'get a **** life'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,367 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    would you have visited apartheid south africa?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I have a life, thank you. And I also have principles.

    I have no desire or intent to visit a country that supports nazis, where guns are widely available to any lunatic that wants one, kids get shot in their classrooms, trans people are murdered regularly, racism is rampant, women are denied rights over their own bodies, rapists are welcomed to visit the White House …… would you like me to continue?

    Until that changes, I won't set foot in it, again. I can live without seeing the grand canyon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,343 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    We had a ban on abortion in this country until recently, did you encourage people not to visit Ireland as a result ?

    Irish people murdered British children in UK cities with bombs back in the day, would you have discouraged people to come to Ireland as a result ?

    As I always say on these threads America is a big place, with different laws and attitudes in different states, even in different parts of the same state.

    You should go to Massachusetts, they have strict gun laws and there are no school shootings, abortion laws are liberal, they have for decades voted Democrat in elections by massive margins, but they are racist as f**k, so I suppose you can't have it every way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,969 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    I'm not interested in getting into a debate about this.

    As it is now, I will not be visiting the USA anytime soon, if ever again. That was the question asked by the OP, and I gave my answer.

    It's final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,711 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    Right. This is similar to what we experienced in the Viet Nam war era, where fifty thousand or more draft dodgers fled to Canada. Mind you, there were large numbers of young Canadians joining the US armed forces at that time. I once worked for a guy who was originally from Chicago and fled to Montreal in the seventies for that reason.

    It's pretty obvious to me that life is a lot less hectic in the sense of trying to make ends meet, and dealing with violence, and disparities in Canada vs the US. The United States have a higher productivity, but there is the grind of people holding down two or three gigs to eke out a living and pay for outrageous health insurance fees, when not covered by company benefits, etc…

    Canadians decided that the dog eat dog wasn't for them, and I believe things are simpler, but now the future seems uncertain as far as access to social services. If Pilièvre, the Conservative Party leader wins, we will be more aligned with Chump. If Carney wins, there should be more resistance to giving up our hard earned independence in these matters…



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,611 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Been to the USA many times over the years - including a stint in San Francisco on my J1 in the summer of 1996. Had an amazing time back then.

    But these days? With the deep decline of America, which I could really see the last time I was over in 2012 and the very unpredictable and frightening political climate In that country currently, I'm in no hurry to travel there any time soon.

    Sad in a way as there are still many things I really like about America - I have a few relatives and friends over there - but given the increasing climate of hostility and random violence, I can think of many far better places to visit before going Stateside any time soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    No different? Have you seen the growing list of travel advisories from countries warning their citizens about going there?

    Denmark, the United Kingdom, Germany, Finland, Canada and New Zealand.



  • Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Work for a US tech company. I’m in the US minimum three or four times annually. Love visiting, meeting colleagues, and the generally friendly and outgoing locals. It’s always a pleasure to free up some personal time to visit a few friends dotted around the continental US.

    I’ll continue to plan and relish my visits. Next one is scheduled for June. Looking forward to it already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I challenge anyone to read this account in full and then go book a trip to the US:

    Anyone who who couldn't get their story out to people with the drive and pull to get things escalated to having politicians pleading on their behalf is fecked.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,379 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    It is our choice instead of the US. I never mentioned any dictatorship, actual or imagined.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭monseiur


    Agree 100%

    Imagine turning up at an immigration office at an international airport in the US, refusing to identify yourself, having flushed all your ID documents down the toilet, refuse to identify your country of origin and demand asylum/refugee status and expect to be given 5 star treatment in some top hotel, medical card, social welfare etc. etc. !!! This is a regular occurrence at Dublin airport and no one is being turned away…we urgently need a Trump on this side of the Atlantic.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭The Nal




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