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In love with coworker. Accused of Harassment.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Bacchus


    "If someone else can offer them a meal that gets a yes, then why can't I offer a different meal to try get a yes?"

    Because she doesn't like the chef.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I am quite old now so my memory way back is very hazy but I was collecting my thoughts a few months back and "remembered " a woman I had had a relationship with which was quite detailed (places we had been together etc).

    As I tried to recall more of the time, it dawned on me that this was just a woman I used to see on my way home from school and that I fantasized about.

    Guessing now that that led to a few dreams starring herself around the time that later I mistook for reality.

    50 yrs later the dream lives on!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 875 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    OP, earlier in the thread you sounded hapless and infatuated.

    Now, having read your responses in which you try to explain why her rejection of you doesn't really count, I'm afraid for this young woman. When you are forced to accept that she has seen enough to know she wants to keep you at a distance, when you really understand that she will never look at you fondly, how will you react?

    You need to get professional help now. So that you are equipped to handle it when the reality of the situation becomes clear.

    Things can get very very dark and dangerous for women when deranged infatuation turns bitter. Men are at their most dangerous when they have been made to feel small.

    Your obsession is normal enough but the way you're handling it suggests that you are not functioning normally. It might well be too late to save your job. Focus on staying out of court - leave her alone and seek help from a professional. Print out your posts here, as has been suggested before. Bring them to your first session.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,429 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    I feel so sorry for this young woman OP. You have made her feel so uncomfortable and anxious in her workplace that she felt she had no option but to report you to HR. Despite her rejection of all your attempts to get to know her, ie asking her out, adding yourself to her lunchtime group, sending gifts etc, etc, you still did not get the message.

    She has zero interest in you, does not fancy you, does not want to get to know you, does not care whether you change your appearance or improve yourself, does not have any feelings of love or attraction towards you, does not want you in her life in any way. She made it very clear but you ignored it and still want to go on with your own agenda.

    She repeatedly said no. IMO, you must forget about her, leave her alone, stay out of her orbit, respect her wishes, respect her boundaries, stop being a pervy nuisance, stop scaring her, stop pestering her, stop the creepy stalky behaviour.

    Maybe you have some old-fashioned and out-dated idea in your head that sustained pursuit of this woman will turn you into the person of her dreams, or she will finally see you as her hero/love of her life. That’s pure fantasy. You have the wrong idea if you think she is just blind to all your charms. She is not. You mean nothing to her except that you are disturbing her peace of mind and her sense of safety and security. Your behaviour could have serious consequences for her mental health and her life. Just stop.

    Get some get professional help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 AnonQuery


    Lots of replies, thank you all for responding

    @28064212
    I am not pursuing her, I am here anonymously talking to, hopefully unbiased, strangers for an outside view.
    As for Joe, I see the point you are making and it had already occurred to me. I like to thin I could explain it to them in a way they would understand. But even thinking that, I realise, is easy for me to do as a man in such a situation.

    @Hannibal_Smith
    You are right that it is not her job to fix my happiness. I would never want her to say yes to me out of any sense of pity or because she feels obligated to me in any way.

    @notAMember
    So I just be alone forever?

    @exiledawaynothere
    I don't really care about it, it is a job. Even if I could stop all my feelings and completely ignored her, I imagine my presence at all makes her uncomfortable, so I have been looking for another job for a few months. It has just been slow going but I might be able to leave in a few weeks.

    @manonboard
    Thank you for your detailed reply.
    Anything I do can be twisted to appear to be for me first. If I leave the job right now, well then, that is to give me space and to stop me feeling so bad about bothering her. That supposition unfairly traps me.
    And I can't help but hope that I can fix the issues that led to the rejection. Or at least reassure that they aren't the problem she thinks they are. Either I can or I cant and if I can't at all, what right to I have to ever approach anyone ever again?
    Thank you though. I should not forget the issues I have created in how I responded to the rejection.

    @Calahonda52
    @witchgirl26
    @spaceHopper
    I want to know the answer to this:
    If I am really how as bad as you all think of me, how do I deserve help?
    If nothing I can change about myself will ever make me good enough for my co-worker, how could any change ever make me good enough for anyone else?
    Let's say I do go to counselling and it does make me "better" in a few years. Then what? I meet someone else? Someone else who could be some other creeps co-worker, but for whatever reason doesn't currently find me creepy. Would I deserve to inflict myself on someone else just because they are not aware that I was a creep or they don't find my personality creepy like my co-worker does?

    @Papagei
    @crusd
    See reply to santana75 here:

    @JoChervil
    I would not be able to change myself into something I would not fundamentally be comfortable with being for the rest of my life.

    @Big Bag of Chips
    @bucketybuck
    Please stop ascribing things to my love that aren't there. I have never, at any point, said or implied she is obliged to get to know me. I have never said or implied that that her opinion doesn't matter. Quite the opposite, her opinion is what matters most.
    If you can hate someone you don't know, why can't you love someone you don't know? Many people have even entered relationships, built love, gotten married and then known the true person and fallen out of love with them. Why can't love come first?

    @witchgirl26
    I am not ignoring her feelings. I want her to tell me all of her feelings about me so that I can change what I can change or reassure her about what I can't.
    I cannot talk to her because my presence makes her uncomfortable, so I am here talking to strangers to try and get some outside perspective to try and help me understand her feelings. They are the most important thing to me.

    @John_Rambo
    Yes, instead of making a pithy remark while shaking your head, can you answer my question?

    @NIMAN
    I have been in love 3 times in my life, the two long term relationships and now my co-worker. I don't fall in love with random people on the street. I know the difference between infatuation and love.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10 AnonQuery


    Some more replies, thank you all for taking your time to respond to me.

    @Dial Hard
    @notAMember
    I am the meal in the analogy.
    My flaws are the puzzle to be solved.
    I have never said she was a trophy to be won.
    Please stop attributing things to me that I have not said or done.

    @thereiver
    I will not use someone else to try to get over her. No-one deserves to be used.

    @HazeDoll
    Please stop attributing things to me I have not said. I am not and would never be a danger to her, regardless of how she has rejected me before or anything she could to me in the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,060 ✭✭✭crusd


    First, you have a child, that is the purest love there is.

    Second. Love is something that comes most naturally when you yourself and in a good place on your own.

    It’s pointless this over and back here though. You need to speak to someone professionally


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,704 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Yes it would and it does happen, sadly for men, it is often ignored by others or they fear they will not be taken as seriously but if the sexes were reversed it would be creepy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 875 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    I actually think the OP might be getting some sort of kick from keeping this thread going. The responses have been pretty much unanimous but he continues to rehash his strange logic. By participating we are encouraging him to keep professing his love when he really needs to get some distance from it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    The point is it's not right or wise to use your workplace as a dating service to meet women there's plenty of dating apps or other places to go to meet women .look at dating shows on tv most of the time the couples are not a match .Move on and try and forget her .yes you ,ll probably have to go on a lot of so so dates to meet someone where there's mutual attraction and a reason to go on a second date .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 37,227 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    If I may ask, OP, what do you think your next step should be? You've read and responded to most of the posts here. What is your current thinking on what you should do next, in the coming weeks?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Do people actually believe the OP?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭CPTM


    Sometimes I think this website creates these posts just to keep the traffic up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭standardg60


    To be clear i was only referring to the direct name calling on the thread. Of course it happens the other way, but if the OP were female i doubt people would be as quick to label them, that's all.

    OP re ascertaining her reasons or feelings for rejecting you so you can try to fix them is just prolonging your fantasy/infatuation. Instead of accepting the reality that it's never going to happen and going through that hard process your mind is taking the easier route for it and you by grasping at straws. Stop. Stop approaching her, stop trying to contact her. Think of someone who fancied you in your past who you had zero interest in, do you remember why? No one does, you just remember there was absolutely nothing they could or would have done to change your mind, if they even registered with you that is. This is the same situation.

    As for 'dangerous', some are getting carried away with themselves, there is no indication that you're a danger to her or anyone, just perhaps to yourself. Tell yourself that it's not going to happen, if you're struggling to listen because of working in the same place, change jobs. You aren't the first and won't be the last for this to happen to so don't feel alone. At the moment this is still a storm in a teacup in the grand scheme of things, keep it there.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I have been in love 3 times in my life, the two long term relationships and now my co-worker. I don't fall in love with random people on the street. I know the difference between infatuation and love.

    You're still not paying attention to the advice on offer. You cannot be in love with her because you know pretty much nothing about her. Anyhow, you have scared her by your unwanted behaviour - if you loved someone then you would not & could not do that to them.

    She will never be what you are looking for and has told you that. Your behaviour to date (and what you're still saying in this thread) would be such a deep concern to her that she will never see you as anything other than something akin to a stalker.

    Based on what you've told us, you really need professional help but, either way, stay to feck away from her!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    as a woman I find this kind of attention very scary.

    Especially if it’s from an older man.

    I am entitled to feel safe at work and reading the constant come backs from the OP is quite scary to me.
    seems like there’s a refusal to accept the views of others here who are fairly unanimous.

    That is something I would personally find scary



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭standardg60


    As a couple of posters have admitted to workplace infatuations happen all the time. It is extremely rare that they would escalate to something scary. In the list of things to be fearful of in life it is way down the bottom. I understand as a male i would naturally be less fearful, but there are no stats to back up your feeling that attention in a workplace means you should be scared.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 875 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    You and the OP should hang out!

    There you have it, Annie! It's not scary, you're wrong to be scared, it's fine!

    So need to think twice about where you park because some creep keeps trying to walk you to your car after work. No need to be cagey about details of your personal life because you'd prefer if he didn't know where you live. No need to come up with excuses not to attend after-work events. Because it's fine, statistically.

    Standardg60, you wear a seatbelt when you're in a car, don't you? Even though it's very unlikely you'll be in a serious crash, you are aware of the danger and you act accordingly.

    Think about how quick people are to blame women for letting a set of circumstances get out of hand when an assault takes place. She was chatting, laughing, she was being friendly. Didn't look scared…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 289 ✭✭AnnieinDundrum


    @standardg60


    ok so it’s on me! My fault that I’d feel scared reading the repeated posts from the OP justifying his thoughts and actions?


    and it hardly every escalates… really what are you basing that on?

    Many many women have left jobs, even left the workforce entirely from unwanted attention from persistent males and you tell me it’s not an issue?

    I’ve been followed to my car, I’ve been harassed and groped at work outings, I’ve had to console crying juniors afraid to push back unwanted attention from seniors, I’ve taken 15 flights of stairs rather than get in a lift with a colleague…

    But it’s on me.


    seriously? Are you for real?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    The OP's response to so many posts basically telling him the same thing has been to completely ignore the advice given. This raises two issues. Why ask here in the first place? And, more disconcerting, it makes me fear for the well being of his co-worker, because I have a feeling he is not going to let this lie. There is a complete inability to see how this affects the woman in question. I suspect this will not end well for anybody.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    If she has reported him to HR for sexual harassment Delly Belly, then you could categorically bet your house on it NOT EVER happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,933 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,946 ✭✭✭tea and coffee


    It's "gas". The thread title reads: In Love with coworker, accused of harassment.

    Most (sane) threads would be asking how to approach this with HR. Should I get a solicitor? Could I get fired? Could I be up in court?

    But nope, this person is barely concerned with how that might pan out, only with how he can coerce this coworker into feeling how he wants her to feel/act.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    OP - On the first point. It's not about deserving help. You need it. And yes, your behaviour at this point is creepy towards this woman but considering you say you've had relationships in the past, I'm presuming that it isn't always like that. It's creepy because she has said no & you continued to send her gifts etc. She returned the gifts & you still continued. That is the creepy element. If you had stopped when she said no & left it, not creepy.

    And for the second part. You're not paying attention to her feelings. She made them clear when she said no, returned your gift & reported you to HR. How much else do you need. She doesn't want a relationship with you where she tells you her feelings. You're asking for outside perspectives, well here is one. Leave the poor woman alone! She has said no & told you no with her actions repeatedly. You are not going to persuade her into a relationship. You are however going to end up without a job if this continues and potentially with a criminal conviction if she goes to the Gardai as a lot of the instances you've noted could be considered stalking & harassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭witchgirl26


    The OP has gone beyond a little bit of a crush though. From their own admission they've sent unwanted gifts and pursued her after her clear answer of no. That is scary when someone who you have turned down refuses to take that answer & will not stop. The fact that she felt the need to report the actions to HR says a lot. And as someone who deals with a reporting hotline in their line of work, if she had detailed those instances in the report, it would be taken very seriously. There is a likely a fully investigation happening behind the scenes at the moment.

    If someone you had turned down was constantly trying to convince you otherwise, sending unwanted gifts and giving unwanted attention in the work place when they are older & potentially more senior, tell me would you feel safe in your workplace? Because I wouldn't. I would dread going to the office everyday. I wouldn't want to see what had been left on my desk. I would hate when my messenger pinged in case it was that person. That is no way for anyone to live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,268 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I remember reading an article years ago, it was a journalist speaking of the type of attention the OP showers this person with. They set up two profiles on a dating site , sending identical messages to women, one as the average Joe, and one as this high flying modelesque dude.

    The messages were very direct and to the point, declarations of love, and the need to express that physically. The average Joe guy was either blocked, or called a creep or loser by all, while the same person sending the same exact messages, as the modelesque dude had nothing but offers of dates and sex

    This is life, the girl gets to decide, and she has decided in your case. What the journalist proved is that the same actions, from someone a girl liked, would be seen positively, not creepy, so maybe it's unfair to call you creepy, or weird, but you can't force someone to like you, need to accept that.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,207 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    In the list of things to be fearful of in life it is way down the bottom.

    If you're a man.

    Women are perfectly right to be fearful of unwanted attention. If someone accepts "No" then that's fine. No harm done.

    If someone doesn't accept "No" and continues to send messages, letters, gifts, try to change their life to get your attention then yes, that's definitely something to be fearful of. Because a person who doesn't accept no is unpredictable. We might all have had work place crushes. Very few of us were brought before HR and afterwards still tried to figure out how to get the person to agree to go out with us.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,947 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    You have upset this woman in her place of work so much that she has gone to HR to drive the message home .

    She deserves to be able to go to work without worrying about meeting you or what you might do to try to get close to her. She needs to be able to have peace of mind at work and you are obviously upsetting that .

    Think about how you are affecting her not how you feel

    Leave her alone .

    Get another job otherwise .

    Move on and concentrate on being a decent human being . Continually writing to and asking someone out who has clearly said no, is creepy behaviour

    You do not have a right to a relationship with anyone if they do not want to be with you , no matter how much you want it .

    And don't be looking to co workers for relationships ..unprofessional ..get a hobby and if you meet somebody who shows an interest in you then so be it .

    Otherwise move on and enjoy your life. A lot of people are on their own and go out with friends or on holidays and are happy and fulfilled.

    The grass isn't always greener elsewhere ,you know .

    To be honest the way you are persisting in this discussion without taking on board what people are advising you sounds like someone who needs professional.help on processing their thoughts and emotions .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭standardg60


    None of these things happened in the OP's case, do you think i would be defending being groped or followed to your car ffs?

    Projecting your experiences which are disgusting onto the OP is completely irrational and unfair, i've no idea why you can't see that.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 875 ✭✭✭HazeDoll


    It makes sense to be afraid that it's GOING TO happen. The OP has shown himself to be the sort that won't take no for an answer. That's a frightening thought.



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