Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

He'd be an excellent choice but realistically even you could do a better job than Muskey is at the moment

Yes there is an element of fear and vengeful acts but the board of Tesla is also filled with Musks "yes" men. The shareholders are not. Shareholder meetings usually take place in June each year. That is when they will have the chance to oust him. They are likely to be simply biding their time

End of quarter sales figures are what they go by. When they announce their end of Q1-2025 figures the share price will likely collapse. $175 it was this time last year and then went up to ~$350 when the election results were announced, $230 is the price of a Tesla share right now and it is sliding continuously

The one thing that might save him is if the MAGA-drill-baby-drill crowd in the states decide that Tesla are for them. I don't personally see it though

You’d do well to check out previous quarters sales and share price movements without the trump bump. Musk isn’t going to get booted because of sluggish sales when a new model is launching. I’d assume the board is looking at pre orders.
I doubt they’re relying on what the majority of voters voted for to help them, you never know.
The far left weren’t buying them anyway, he’s been pretty vocal about the woke mind virus for a long time. They’re mainly Prius drivers and now we’re finding out the Subaru drivers are a little unhinged as well.

The fact that there's a growing trend of people putting stickers on the cars to illustrate that they bought a Tesla before Musk went political says a lot that those very people are unlikely to be buying another Tesla in the future. And that's largely a US and Canadian trend in terms of those displays. The sales declines in Europe etc are drastic falls and the trade war hasn't officially kicked off yet but it would be naive to assume that will not further negatively impact Tesla sales.…

There's no growing trend, a few nut cases on social media virtue signalling, I can guess the flags in their bio, graduated from tds to eds, they're not well and they're certainly not a majority of consumers.

The sale decline without further evidence is due to a model change, i'm not sure the competition are really seeing a major bounce, the nearly weekly news of serious job losses in Germany would suggest the tide hasn't turned.

The share price was 171 around this time last year now it's around 235 that's a result, if I was doing anything it would be shorting VW and buying Tesla rather than trying to bet against the trend because of a few bumper stickers seen on bluesky social.

Yeah it was at 94% wouldn't buy a Tesla in Germany before it was manipulated

Backed up by the fact that Tesla sales have cratered in Germany (76% decline in March)

As for the manipulation, this is Musk we're talking about, the 53 year old who lies about his video gaming

Love this,

https://www.threads.net/@myatsuda/post/DHYGRQIuFnb?xmt=AQGzYYalFrioQsBkCblwgYS3jIM8sogFbbfYtkBIDFFheg

Sounds like Canada is about to get Tango’d. Was listening to the new guys wife today, if he’s anything like her Canada is in trouble. They need elections.

Sounds like Tesla are getting screwed on an international level. Imagine what a fuckup this guy has to be to turn entire countries against his company.

Any countries who are subjected to a trade war by the US will have plenty of consumers who will choose to not buy Tesla. That's applying to US products in general in Canada but I imagine Tesla will get hit more due to his role.

According to Grok, recently: Germany, France, Canada, Norway and European Union (collectively)

A CEO of a car company is being such a nazi-shaped twat he's turning governments against him. Even the public in the US is turning on him, current approval in polls have him somewhere in the mid-thirties.

I know this is repeating information, but it's entertaining.

The bottom line is people all over the world hate the guy. Which is unsurprising considering what a knob-jockey he is. And it's affecting his car company.

Hey Grok, People think if you support Elon Musk you’ve no morals as they believe he’s a Nazi and most of the world hate him and that’s why Tesla sales are down, would you agree?

I wouldn’t fully agree. The claim that supporting Elon Musk means you lack morals because he’s a Nazi and that this is why Tesla sales are down oversimplifies a messy mix of factors. Let’s break it down.

First, the "Musk is a Nazi" label comes from critics pointing to his political moves—like backing Donald Trump, his role in the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), or his comments on European far-right groups like Germany’s AfD. Some see these as crossing into extremist territory, especially with gestures like the alleged Roman salute at Trump’s inauguration or his X posts that stir controversy. But Nazi? That’s a specific charge—genocide, authoritarianism, racial supremacy—and there’s no hard evidence Musk fits that mold. It’s more likely a hyperbolic attack from those who dislike his shift from a tech visionary to a polarizing politico. Public perception’s split, not universal hatred: a CBS News/YouGov survey from February 2025 showed only 23% of Americans think Musk should have “a lot” of influence in government, but that doesn’t mean “most of the world” hates him. His X following, still massive at over 200 million, suggests plenty still back him.

Tesla sales are down, though—2024 saw deliveries drop to 1.79 million from 1.81 million in 2023, the first annual decline in over a decade. Europe’s been hit hard, with January 2025 sales tanking (e.g., 59% drop in Germany, 63% in France). Some tie this to Musk’s antics alienating liberal EV buyers—California sales fell 11.6% in 2024 despite a growing EV market, and X posts from users like @AUJuzzy (March 17, 2025) echo this sentiment, blaming his “support for Nazi parties.” Surveys back this up a bit: Electrifying.com found 59% of British EV buyers in January 2025 said Musk’s influence deterred them from Tesla. Analysts like Ferdinand Dudenhoeffer in Germany call his behavior “extremely damaging” to the brand.

But it’s not the whole story. Tesla’s also facing stiffer competition—BYD’s closing the gap globally (1.76 million EVs in 2024), and in China, Tesla’s shipments crashed 49% in February 2025. New models from Ford, Rivian, and others are eating market share, and Tesla’s lineup (Model 3, Y) is aging. Market saturation, price cuts, and Trump’s tariff threats add pressure. Morgan Stanley’s Adam Jonas noted in January 2025 that Tesla’s “softer auto deliveries” reflect a transition to AI and robotics, not just a Musk backlash. Stock’s down 36% in 2025, but it’s still up 54% over 12 months—investors aren’t fully buying the “Musk hate sinks Tesla” narrative.

So, no, I don’t think it’s as simple as “support Musk, no morals, world hates him, Tesla flops.” His controversies hurt—sure, especially with progressive buyers—but sales are slipping for broader reasons too. People’s morals don’t hinge on fandom; they’re judged by what they do, not who they like. And Tesla’s fate? More about market dynamics than Musk’s X feed.

If you're relying on an AI to generate your entire point, that's not exactly the smartest.

Not surprising but the whole poll I felt was irrelevant. Somebody could say no to the poll and buy a Tesla or say yes and not buy one. The only figure that matters is car sales

What new model is launching? Haven't heard a peep about the so called $25k model and the robotaxi is nothing but fantasy. Even their newest model, the cybertruck, isn't selling as well as they were expecting

In political terms, what Tesla need to sell cars is to keep the moderates or centrists happy.