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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I never understood why Schmidt decided to be so conservative. Most of his team, certainly the backs, were Leinster players, who he has coached up. Always felt it was an indictment of his coaching that he felt he couldn't get lads playing the way he wanted. He doesn't have Australia playing reductive footy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Yeah there are two scenarios;

    1. IRFU pays the contracts directly as per the current CC system.
    2. IRFU gives money to each province based on the numbers of international players they have, but each player is contracted directly to the province.

    The net result is exactly the same, but the optics of scenario 2 are much, much worse from the "IRFU are only interested in Leinster" perspective because suddenly the IRFU aren't giving money to 12 Ireland players, they're giving the money to Leinster. There would be an absolute meltdown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Yeah, I certainly don't disagree with your first point. I'd be quite happy if every contract was "an IRFU contract" and we didn't know about any central/provincial payment breakdown. You then wouldn't have non-Leinster fans wailing "why do only the Leinster favourites get central contracts??" and you wouldn't have Leinster fans wailing "why should other provinces be rewarded for failure??" and that's win-win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Right, and this begs the question, at what point do optics and fan sentiment determine how the IRFU approaches the funding problem, like how sensitive is the IRFU to public opinion? Thats a bit of a slippery slope because, yes, people are pissed off, but they also don't really know wtf they're talking about. The priority for the union is A) keep winning & B) keep building from the bottom up. I'm not sure where on the list ?) keep fans happy, is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    I was going to say I don't think public opinion should be a priority but then equally, the only reason we have Connacht now is because of fan pressure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    • Andy copied the Leinster head coach's homework, Lancaster's in this case.
    • Andy is incapable to integrating players from other provinces, because he's a vibes guy.
    • Lanny left, shortly followed by Catt.
    • Andy is now copying Nienaber's homework (it's what he does) which is the 2019 Bok playbook.
    • Irish players are now Boks light.
    • Leinster will get pumped in the business end of the Champions cup
    • IRFU will need to cancel Nienaber's contract and get Lanny back to Leinster, or pay Lanny a ransom to be an attack coach.
    • Lanny tried an on-ball game with Owen Farrell at 10 (not good)
    • Lanny wouldn't work as a national coach, because the Leinster guys need to rep his system constantly at their club to play at an acceptable level.
    • Connacht and Munster play more like Ireland used to play than Leinster do now.
    • Some hybrid of Lanny's system with a more kick focused game might work.
    • Sam is an off-ball 10, Jack is an on-ball 10 they get selected according to the game plan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,541 ✭✭✭✭phog


    What does building from the bottom up actually mean and without fans who attends the matches at national and provincial level. Can the IRFU actually turn their backs to fans



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,301 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    The kool aid jug is well dry at this stage....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,723 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Ah, I was referring more to getting players coming through the system by supporting clubs and schools with coaching and resources than I was thinking about getting fans through the gate. You can produce fans through marketing and results, but you can't produce players that way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Somebody has been on the sauce for a few days it seems.

    Leisnter getting pumped in the Champions Cup final to peak saracens, LaR and toulouse is a damn side preferable to losing to the world powers zebre, edinburgh and castres.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34 Sportsmad5


    On the offensive side, there has been a change over the last few years from tries coming from the backs to the forwards. In 2025 11 tries came from forwards and 6 from backs, but in 2022 it was higher and it was the backs that were getting the tries, 15 v 9 from the forwards.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭Wegians89


    I’d love if Farrell rang up Lancaster and got Him involved in some capacity. Would probably need him in for the summer to have a decent impact for RWC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,117 ✭✭✭crusd


    I am presuming it was Lancaster who brought Mack Hansen in and it was also Lancaster made JGP first choice for Leinster before Farrell brought him into the Ireland team ahead of Luke McGrath?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Thats true but other countries are now beginning to see how to deal with our forward surges (other than Sheehan). It also makes for turgid viewing. I personally hate mauled tries. There should be some disincentive - maybe no conversion allowed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,612 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    A well done maul is a thing of beauty… why penalise it? It would be another pointless change to the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,031 ✭✭✭50HX


    Mauled tries are an art itself, commit 2 many defensively & you leave too much attacking space out wide.

    Alot of changes in rugby in recent times to make it more visually appealing to a wider audience.

    Some of these changes aren't always for the better eg unstraight throws to the lineout,not contesting a line out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,651 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭crossman47




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,051 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I don't know if this has already been posted, but it's a pretty accurate, and damning review of Irish 6 nations performance, not so much from the players, but the failure of the coaching ticket

    https://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/news/12317/13331309/a-baffling-change-in-style-how-ireland-blew-the-six-nations-chance-of-a-century-and-a-half

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,621 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Prendergast, despite some bizarre coverage to the contrary in Ireland afterwards, did not play well against England, missing a simple conversion, kicking poorly from hand, and failing to get the attack clicking. Crowley emerged from the bench on 58 minutes, and the pace and tempo of the Test changed instantly - fellow subs Jack Conan and Dan Sheehan also thrived.

    This is just flat out wrong. Both in its criticism of Prendergast and analysis of what Crowley did.

    The larger point about a change in style has merit. Evolution was needed, we needed to adapt to defensive adjustments against us. I don't hold it necessitated a compete abandonment of the system that had us as the best team in the world.



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  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 9,571 ✭✭✭fitz


    Absolute waffle. Tldr: most of the article focuses Prendergast, painting a picture that if only the coaches had not stuck with Prendergast we would have played more like our old selves with Crowley at 10. Completely ignores Crowleys poor form this season (particularly December). It's a shallow reading of what's changed and is nothing but critical of SP. Change the bloody record.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,971 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    What would you say about an article which was critical of both?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,042 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    That could have been written by the most one-eyed boards.ie poster. Absolute nonsense.

    He cites two reasons for the poor performance;

    1. The arrival of Nienaber at Leinster
    2. Prendergast

    and goes on at great length about the meeeja coverage of Prendergast as though this matters.

    To call it lazy and stupid would be the understatement of the year.

    Edit: just in case anyone thought this was some sort of impartial review, here's the guy's Twitter profile. If he posted here (and maybe he does), he actually would be the most one-eyed poster we have;

    Michael Cantillon (@mike_cantillon) / X

    Some absolute beauties in there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Journalist is Micheal Cantillon, a proud Limerick man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    massive fan of Lancaster , would be a great addition to the Irish coaching team



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭vetinari


    It's a bit OTT but accurate in a lot of it.

    Prendergast clearly did not have the upside that the coaches were expecting.

    In hindsight, it was a pretty giant gamble that didn't come off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    We won 4 out of 5 games in the 6n

    It's not just about the here and now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Each and every one of these new law trials are a farce.

    Ireland reaped the benefit at the Lineout. And If it wasn't for the driving maul Ireland would be up **** creek without.

    The main take away for Ireland in this 6N was crystalised for me in that abject performance in attack v Italy. -Lack of creativity to offset the lack of pace.-

    No easy fix. And still need gain line.

    The lack of composure v Italy (and a times v France) was exasperated by lack of 'Catch-Pass' skills and inability to create an offload (and then the subsequent linebreak).

    https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/en/m6n/stats/2025

    Offloads:
    France
    63
    Scotland
    63
    England
    29
    Ireland
    28

    Wales
    27
    Italy
    16
    Linebreaks:
    France
    45
    England
    36
    Scotland
    34
    Ireland
    26
    Italy
    25
    Wales
    21



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭shootermacg




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,317 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Compounded by having the worst scrum in the 6N.



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