Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

Isn't a general election a poll on a single issue?

Wouldn't that single issue be the peoples preference for politicians and their parties or not, to represent their views in the Dail. This preference will then feed into government formation and the programme for government.

We do no have citizen based direct democracy. No party I am aware of is calling for citizen direct democracy.

This means the general election is the citizens opportunity to impact government formation and direction including on immigration.

That happened and their wasn't a ground swell of popular support for the many many anti-immigrant candidates and their pop up parties.

The people have spoken, the government was chosen by the people.

Well this is it. One tends to find that those who advocate their love for Ireland seem to be the ones who hate it the most, and do little but complain and engage in endless declinism.

It sometimes feels, for the alarmists, the Ireland they claim to love is some vestigial idyllic form of Ireland that existed once — and coincidentally that idyllic form always seems to coincide with the years of their own youth when life for everyone tends to be more carefree.

When I look at Ireland today, the major thing I feel has gotten worse for the youngest members of our society is the now all-pervasive influence of social media and smartphones — and all the anxiety, bullying and harm that can be caused through them. But that's probably the fault of migrants too I guess.

When I look at Ireland today, the major thing I feel has gotten worse for the youngest members of our society is the now all-pervasive influence of social media and smartphones

Would you not agree though, that lack of housing is a bigger issue for those starting out?

Ah but you see, to some posters on here, those who may find themselves vastly outnumbered on here, populations that have turned away from the "holy church" of progressivism are indeed misinformed, because the truths of progressivism are so self obvious to those that posit it's tenets. They can bear no heresy, so anyone questioning their scripture that states that multiculturalism and diversity is good and is not to be questioned. That kind of thinking can lead to things like labour MP Naz Shah saying that the victims of the industrial scale rape gangs "should shut up for the sake of diversity." Things that if someone else said it, in a different context they would be up in arms protesting loudly about.

But ignoring things like that and getting back to your question, to them anyone who disagrees with them is in their view, either a heretic or is feeble minded and is obviously misinformed. In this they're a little bit like the Principal Skinner meme, "Am I out of touch? No it's the children who are wrong." To accept that they may have a point would require some self reflection and questioning their beliefs. In some ways they remind me of puritans afraid that showing any doubt is a sign of lack of faith and that way lies damnation, so they react vehemently and double down trying to shout out their own possible doubts. They may not like the religious analogy but it's the most apt one to me.

It's interesting some may also mention a playbook as though they don't have any of their own. We've seen examples of them, International obligations, sure the Irish travelled everywhere [so we have to take in anyone that wants to come over here and don't you dare question it you heretic] or another favourite, what is Irish anyway? As though you can just handwave away millenia of shared history, culture and ways of being* just so they can avoid some self reflection and attempt to send people down various cul de sacs. Personally I don't bother engaging with that line of thought, but YMMV.

*Or any other favourite phrase from sociologists etc

It didn't happen like that in Denmark. The left of centre government listened to the people's right wing immigration views and applied them along with continued left leaning policies. Denmark is a democracy too.

'Isn't a general election a poll on a single issue?

Wouldn't that single issue be the peoples preference for politicians and their parties or not, to represent their views in the Dail. This preference will then feed into government formation and the programme for government.'

This has to be the single most disingenuous post on the entire thread.

People coming from different cultures, different religion, different how women are treated . The rate of such change has to be a cause of concern .The rising cost and demand for housing and rents , medical care . Retirement homes and hotels being changed to cater for asylum seekers and Ukrainians.

Eh if you had one example of a loyalist or IRA grooming gang it'd be a start.

I've asked the minister for Justice about the Randi Gladstone case

I suspect both of us wont ever hear back on our questions

Yup, I got a local TD to ask a question on my half before

They will submit a Parliamentary Question to the Minister for Justice

If I dont hear back from the Minister for Justice, ill will ask my TD to submit my question.

I'm sure the victims of child abuse will fail to see your distinction. Perhaps you should consider them before attempting to score cheap points on the internet.

Indeed.

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