Hamas strike on Israel

Let me guess, you think i went to Auschwitz and wasn't aware of what the final solution was. Pretty strange. But keep chugging

Relative to. That I've been to Israel. Have you. Can't see what you'd be doing there tbh.

You seem to care very deeply about the origin of Hamas rather than the reality of what they are.

There wasn't a single Jew in the whole of Gaza in 2006. They chose Hamas. Hamas chose their course. Hamas had free agency.

It's simply racist on your part to deny Hamas and Palestinains that agency.

They could have turned Gaza into a fully functioning country with good border relations with Israel. It could be a fantastic place by now, like Tel Aviv, but they choose what they choose.

Relations were actually quite good leading up to Oct 7th, so relaxed in fact that Hamas were able to take advantage of that.

Hamas freely chose to launch that attack not because of oppression, historical or otherwise, but because they were about to be sidelined by The Abraham accords and the normalisation of Israeli relations with Saudia Arabia.

The historical reasons for the emergence of terrorist groups has nothing to do with that. It only tends to matter to people like you who want to provide some sort of justification for their existance.

Let me guess, you think i went to Auschwitz and wasn't aware of what the final solution was. Pretty strange. But keep chugging

I'm not guessing anything. You put those words down for all to see.

"Pretty strange" no, pretty pathetic of you to repeatedly write that.

It's plain for all to see you "Final Result" wishes.

Relative to. That I've been to Israel. Have you.

Yes, you mentioned you have been, we discussed it. Have I? Yes, again you don't really read my posts

Can't see what you'd be doing there tbh.

Now there's a very petty and childish line. Was it you that was complaining about abusive posts not 5 minutes ago??

I was on a work trip there. A project I was on purchased Israeli military technology.

It was there I saw how the checkpoints operate; again I mentioned this. I know you missed out on the checkpoints part though.

You seem to care very deeply about the origin of Hamas rather than the reality of what they are.

You see when you keep misrepresenting what I say it's entirely obvious you just can't argue the point.

I 'care' in so far as realising the historical reality of the situation. You wish to live in a fantasy land wherein the governing body is the 'good guy' and those rebelling are automatically the 'bad guy'. Situations like this don't just arise in simple isolation

And before you be simply dishonestly opportunistic; the good guy/bad guy scenario is simplified for you; I do not see the reverse as being true. Hamas are an abhorrent terrorist group.

There wasn't a single Jew in the whole of Gaza in 2006.

Really?? There wasn't a single Jewish person in the the sliver of land that the Israeli Government have essentially confined Palestinian people in??!! The irony is again completely lost on you.

They chose Hamas. Hamas chose their course. Hamas had free agency.

Hamas did have free agency, this is how terrorist groups like this operate and wield power in scenarios that Israel have created. This is what you don't wish to take cognisance of.

It's simply racist on your part to deny Hamas and Palestinains that agency.

You never really grow tired of the labels despite your previous protestations…..

It is again very simplistic of you to use the choice made 20 years ago and, more importantly, continued refusal to recognise the state control, oppression and denial of any semblance of equality that led to the situation with Hamas/Hezbollah etc. etc.

If you’re going to call me “racist” you’re going to have show why, otherwise it would just appear to be lashing out in very immature pathetic manner as you’re (again) scrambling to make any sense….

Otherwise retract it and show some semblance of decency.

They could have turned Gaza into a fully functioning country with good border relations with Israel. It could be a fantastic place by now, like Tel Aviv, but they choose what they choose.

And there's the real betrayal of your complete lack of knowledge of Gaza. They have restricted control over Gaza; they are extremely limited in what they can and cannot do. Again the oppressive methods of Daniella Weiss were shown to you yet you still refuse to recognise the reality of how they are controlled.

To say that they could have had a similar city to Tel Aviv is laughable.

Relations were actually quite good leading up to Oct 7th, so relaxed in fact that Hamas were able to take advantage of that.

"Quite good" …..Ah yes they should just stay in their lane and be happy with the crumbs Israel provide. And if a Jewish person from New York wishes to take some land sure that's ok too.

"Quite good" aside from the clashes in 2021 / 2019 / 2018 / 2014 etc. etc.

"Quite good" is morally dismissive.

Hamas freely chose to launch that attack not because of oppression, historical or otherwise, but because they were about to be sidelined by The Abraham accords and the normalisation of Israeli relations with Saudia Arabia.

The Abrahams accord were laid 5 years before the Oct 7th attack. They were and are still progressing. Nothing Hamas could've have done would affect them.

The historical reasons for the emergence of terrorist groups has nothing to do with that. It only tends to matter to people like you who want to provide some sort of justification for their existance.

"nothing to do with it" is just an easy escape route for those ignorant of these situations.

Again you misrepresent and misunderstand this and wash over with "justification". If you want to ignore the facts, don't expect everyone else to and accept your narrowmindedness.

Nearly there……where do you think this generational hatred has stemmed from..??? Or do you simply wish to continue the charade that Oct 7th 23 wasn't linked to something much more extensive and complex than your select view.……

Nothing to do with the state of Israel, allthough you'll deny that.

The words in bold are lost on you.

Netanyahu's war goals have been clear from day one. Destroy Hamas and secure the hostages.

A ceasefire where neither are being achieved is a worthless agreement and only strengthens the position of Hamas.

That is not what the agreement said.

Anyway, Hamas have no moral, legal, or military authority to be dictating the terms of any agreement. They must accept the terms they are given and stop the war. Of course, they will never do this. As we've seen over the last year, they are determined to bring every single Palestinian down with them.

We're seeing ever more inventive ways to blame people for backing into bullets. It's relatively easy to defend when you think a Palestinian life is worth less than an Israeli. It's fairly racist but you're a radical lefty for pointing that out…

It's amazing how radicalized people are on here.

I don't know how otherwise normal (I assume) people are on here defending and backing blowing up innocent men women and children on one end of the scale, or completely ignoring it as irrelevant at the other. I don't know what is worse.

None of them answer questions honestly. None reply to facts. It's just constantly a bullsh*t after bullsh*t narratives that make no sense, baseless accusations of anti semitism and projecting Hamas or jihadi support toward people who find all this death and destruction horrific. Do ye really think Ireland is full of people supporting jihadis and are rabid antisemites? F*ckin ludicrous.

I don't know if they are like this because they hate Muslims, hate Palestinians, love Israelis, I can't get anyone to explain it to me logically - I doubt most people from Ireland could tell one from the other. But they are willing to back slaughter, ignore warcrimes, slander their own country and its history, defame international law, and back a country that is being openly hostile to us for us holding a position of adherence to international law. We haven't treated Israel any differently to Russia, and are consistent.

I don't know to what end. I don't ever meet people like this in real life

"Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius"

Good man.