Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I literally posted: i didn't go to Gaza for safety reasons.

Your reply: You wouldn't have been allowed go to Gaza for safety reasons, ergo, you're lying. Jebus H Christ!

Yes you were lying; you clearly said you "were going to go" Gaza to add legitimacy to your nonsense. I clearly pointed out that this hasn't been feasible for a long time, never mind safety reasons. Anyone who looked into or indeed travelled to Israel would automatically know this.

The rest is just a long winded justification for the existance of Hamas.

When you can't argue the facts and history just try to misrepresent the posters "justifying Hamas". The fact is we have terrorist organisations. You exist in some innocent fairy land wherein the government are automatically the honourable good guys and the terrorist groups just emerge from the ether without a scintilla of recognition of what has/is happening.

It's an easy get out to say "it's too long"…

You of course ignore all the Palestinians who despise them and can't wait to see the back of them.

I don't; you made that up. Again.

You provide a rather simplistic narrative that the emergence of such terrorist groups and their support amongst the general population is inevitable and not a choice.

The irony. You fail to recognise a single fact that has given rise to Hamas and or any other terrorist organisation. Simplistic indeed. The full history is there if you were really bothered, but simplistic is easier for you to ignore it.

The reality is that the IRA never recieved more than a few percentage of the votes in Irish elections between 69 and 94

The elections were because the vast majority of Irish people didn't lose their moral compass, and realised that the path to a solution in NI could never be won by violence.

44% of the people of Palestine didn't have to vote for Hamas in 2006.

Yes 20 odd years ago; a fraction of whom today would have been of voting age and/or born then. But keep pegging them back to that.

They could have voted to build a country but they choose Hamas and their demented manifesto instead. There's no getting around that.

They (the people of today) weren't around to have their say. And as for what they could vote for; when you mention the 'government of Gaza' you could at least recognise that their powers are severely restricted, particularly economic powers, to allow them to create a better state for themselves. Who holds that restriction do you know? Too simplistic for you?

This is my favourite of your quotes though.

Futile to argue that we (Britain) were a democracy and Hitler a tyrant.

Again you have this problem of making stuff up; It's not my quote; It was from a British military historian as I clearly wrote. His name is John Keegan. You’ve also just reduced it to those lines rather than take on the reasoning in the rest of it as it’s easier for you to ignore it.

As you've brought up 'favourite quotes'; let's remind everyone of yours (as in you wrote it).

Israel are not oppressing millions of people.

Sure. Whatever you say.

Just to reiterate - it's not what 'I' say in reference to the quote you've misunderstood (wilfully, I know its inconvenient for you) ; but the quote above I've is what you say in black and white. Which you've completely verified your lack of understanding of the region in general.

My solution, the ****ing off of Hamas, is in progress as we speak because:

1: They have been destroyed by the IDF as a fighting force.

Yet the IDF continue killing people. Innocent people.

2: The sheer savagery of Oct 7th delegitimized them as a political force amongst the Arab Nations where they had previously enjoyed a measure of support.

Yet when Israel commit the same acts you're good to let them off and you don't apply the same logic and reasoning to Israel. Easier to be blinkered and 'simplistic' when it suits.

And as for a 'measure of support' from the Arab nations; they've had little before and they have little now. The truth is they are looked down upon by the gulf nations and Jordan doesn't want them either. Again, your language is similar to the video I posted wherein Daniella Weiss gives the same "solution" to the Palestinians to go somewhere else. Convenient.

3: The Arab nations who are footing the bill for the renewal of Gaza are making their disapearance a prerequisite for progress, making their continued presence in Gaza a bit of a difficult sell to any normal Palestinian.

They are footing the bill as they don't want them as refugees and they know that as soon as they opened the gates Israel would gladly let them flood across the borders. The removal of Hamas works for now; but if Israel continue with their oppressive regime, how long before the next armed terrorist group arises. Israel cannot justify their treatment of these people without some one to blame.

it’s ok, they are the legitimate army so they can do what they want without reproach….

Looks like a massive artillery and drone attack across Gaza ,madness.

Israel resume their blood lust against women and children

Shocking stuff

What is wrong with you? I sent you 4 links to read which will accurately describe what Gaza was like before Oct 7th? What has it got to do with who was in Gaza? I never asked you whether you were in Gaza. I don't care. You even pretended that you had plans to go there. Again, irrelevant.

I am trying to make a point here. Read the links and then give me your own impression on what it was like to live in Gaza during the Blockade. There is no rush. Then we can debate. Let's keep it honest now and I think we will both learn something. Over to you.

So using what you read in the 4 links, what were living conditions like in Gaza during the 20 year blockade?

The suspicion must be that Netanyahu always intended the war against Gaza to recommence. There were no suggestions in the last few days that the full-scale bombardment of Gaza was about to happen or that Hamas were doing anything to provoke such a thing.

The gardai aren't enforcing an illegal colonial regime on a population.

Your usual 'What about Golan, WB, EJ' was answered in detail by someone, especially in regard to E jer.

Again, I've no memory of such an argument. What remarks were made re Arab East Jerusalem?

Complete and utter nonsense. Calling out Israeli war crimes is not supporting anyone or anything but it is clearly your go-to trope and they only way you can get around Israeli skullduggery in your reply. Deal with the facts and answer the points I made in my post.

Your point doesn't hold water though. The IDF are a disgraced murderous rabble just like Hamas. Its not a trope either as the world has seen it. War Criminals all and should be called out. The only people who think they are a legitimate army now are people who condone murder and Islamophobes.

Israel now exterminating Palestinians at a faster rate than at any time since 2023. This is only going in a very very dark direction, although this is the natural direction of settler colonialism

From alleged War Criminal #1's press conference:

Netanyahu addresses the people of Israel directly.

"We have made incredible achievements up until today," he says, adding that "together we are changing the face of the Middle East".

Seems Netanyahu is emboldened by Trump and the US green light. Bragging about War Crimes and Genocide and especially the murder of kids sheltering in a school today is utterly abhorrent.

The good people of Israel will rise against this political manoeuvre and I hope they make sure he cannot continue.

As for the rest of the world, it watches and it sees every murder. Justice will be done.

The War on Gaza is the Palestinian's Holocaust.

Shame on Israel.

There is a lot of outrage in Israel right now. I only hope it has the effect of stopping the carnage.

Yehuda Cohen, father of Israeli hostage Nimrod, told Haaretz that the renewed fighting was politically motivated, and that Netanyahu is attempting to "murder the hostages, including my son, for the sake of his throne."

Believe it or not though, a considerable number of Israelis are attacking the hostage families on social media.