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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    And how is it 'favouring' a club to take all their players for two months?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,747 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well don't respond then I've no interest in chatting to someone with Leinster goggles on anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,220 ✭✭✭TRC10


    They aren’t “taking” Leinster’s players. They’re the IRFU’s players, the IRFU pay their wages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Then they aren't favouring Leinster either, are they? If they're all just IRFU players at the end of the day sure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭crossman47


    They should be refused when they are taking game time from Irish internationals.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Munster signed Holloway, Arno Botha and Cloete which took game time away from JOD and Coombes? Does that logic apply there too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭50HX


    Not really, a situation where one provence can have 3 NIQ's & the other none would never be accepted.

    As a club leinster like the other 3 wil do & sign what & who they deem give them the best possible chance of winning.

    Re your Sam point it would be interesting to see how he goes at club level without a dominant pack in front of him, I think he went to SA last year & didn't get an armchair ride but it doesn't happen 2 often, not his problem tho

    You need serious squad depth at club level to soak up 13+ players heading off on international duty.

    Look at Munster, pom & Murray aside we have Beirne who looks knackered, Nash injured again, Crowley returning ok.

    It's a good job we don't have any more internationals thus risking injuries & reducing availability of club minutes, we are fooked enough as it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Just looking a the high level experience young players have across the 6N, guys like Gailleton, Arundell, Mason Grady, Connone, Ollie Smith and a few others have thousands of minutes in URC/Top 14/Prem matches by the time they are 21 or 22, and test caps quite quickly. Just a totally different scene to Ireland where a 21 year old making starting appearances for Leinster, Munster or Ireland is totally exceptional. It's a real issue in Ireland, and it has something to do with Leinster's relative abundance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭crossman47


    And a situation where one club has nearly all the centrally contracted players is perfectly acceptable? All I know for sure is followeres outside Leinster will soon tire of turning up to see Leinster in green.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Well those who refuse to turn up to see "Leinster in green", especially down south, should have shown more concern when their own province was not producing players and instead were celebrating signing Boks, Kiwis, argies and aussies to beat the band in the last 15 years. Didn't hear much argument about those signings from the same people who are now upset that their own province are not well represented in the national set up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭El Vino


    The thing is I don't think he does, early in the tournament people were blitzing him and he was brilliant and letting the line come to him then delaying pass. As tournament went on people stopped doing this, France, Wales and even Italy. Then he looked a little static and when he received the ball and sat a bit deep. Worth watching him when he came on in the Italy game. This is from someone who thinks if Crowley kicks from the tee like he did V Italy he shouldn't be near the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,061 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    player is being touted for the national team who will likely not play in serious matches for our leading club.

    Is this the same Jamie Osborne who started all four knockout games in the Champions Cup last season? Is playing 100 minutes of the biggest game in club rugby not “serious”?

    By this logic, shouldn’t we refuse to pick any player whose province doesn’t make it to the “serious” games? I’m not sure that’s really what you want, is it?

    Imagine telling Jordie Barrett, thanks for your interest in Leinster but you can either join Connacht or jog on.

    FFS like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭50HX


    It's been that way for a while now as they have supplied the best players bar a few debates

    Won't matter a sh1t to the irfu as long the seats are filled

    Just look at the Friday 8pm kick off times in the AI'S just gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,747 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Speak for yourself. I'll always turn up to support Ireland even if the entire squad came from Leinster, Ulster or Munster. Supporting the national team is supporting Ireland, not a province.

    I'm a Connacht man and I know that 99% of my fellow supporters think the same way.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    In Irish selection the best team is generally picked. Different provinces have dominated at different times.

    Who wants players, not international standard, from their province, picked as a token gesture?!

    The only player I ever despised being picked was Davy Tweed in the mid 90s. Well before everything came out, I couldn't stand him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I know for sure, I'm sick of it already.

    For a test I went to the pub AFTER the Italy game (I try to watch most games at home so I can hear the commentary of professionals rather than more lads like myself who almost/never played) and asked innocently "How did Leinster get on"?

    I've been an Ireland fan since the days of Ciaran Fitz, and a Munster fan about 20 years..

    They all knew exactly what I was saying when I asked that question…

    The best answer I got was: "They won, and the Castletownbere fella got 3 trys" (Sheehans father is from there)

    Its becoming almost impossible to be both an Ireland and a Munster man in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭El Vino


    I find it easy enough but I live outside the country. If I was to try to explain to my English, French and Scottish supporting Friends that I didn’t support my home country as there were too many Leinster players in the squad they would think I’d gone mad. sure I’d like more Munster players but cohesion is a real thing and a non Leinster player has to offer a point of difference to make the team. That’s the road current coaching group has gone down because as the RTE Panel put it you can’t be expected to develop a game plan in 3 days so you might as well copy Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I understand the first half of your post, but vehemently disagree with the second.

    What that is basically saying is its Leinsters way or if you can't fit into that you can hump off from our NATIONS team.

    Ireland isn't just Dublin or Leinster (minus the marquee imports to try and win some/any tournament) and the day it is, - the Irish team can s*ag off for support from me or any rugby person with a brain outside Leinster/Dublin.

    Thats like what African Americans used to say about having to be 100% better to get parity....

    Bollovks to that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Realistically, in the past year, Calvin Nash has a reasonable reason to have a gripe about not getting gametime in November but beyond that, there isn't exactly a whole host of lads who can say they are being wrongly ignored.

    Our Biggest concerns for me would be

    1. LHP - Porter needs to be able to play some 45-50min test matches.
    2. 7 - Really need to looks at Timoney and/or Hodnett in summer.
    3. 9 - Need Casey back strong but we also need to see a few younger guys brought through.
    4. Centre - Osborne needs to be given gametime at 12 (his best position) given the 3 mainstays are all over 30. There was a whiff of Gordon Darcy 2014 about Henshaw the last few weeks.

    At 6, I'd like to see Izuchukwu or ahern play in summer. Injury permitting, just play one of them there in all 2/3 games. Give them a Chance to find their feet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    That’s the road current coaching group has gone down because as the RTE Panel put it you can’t be expected to develop a game plan in 3 days so you might as well copy Leinster.

    Not sure this holds up. We're not Fiji or Georgia with limited access to our players, the IRFU has absolute control over every IQ player on the island of Ireland, they can (and frequently do) call training camps whenever they want and key players might go three months without playing for their province.

    In another thread, you're saying that we are only successful in the 6N precisely because of this system and everyone else catches up at RWC and exposes us for the shams we are. So there seems to be a contradiction there.

    The best players get picked. Leinster have the best players, so more Leinster players get picked. It's really that simple.

    It's up to people then to decide if they want to follow Ireland or not. The minority who choose not to are no loss.

    Post edited by Former Former Former on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Uhhh are you comparing a Munster person supporting the Irish rugby team with racial injustice in the United States?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,404 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'Thats like what African Americans used to say about having to be 100% better to get parity....'

    I honestly don't know where to start with that?

    FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Packrat


    It was a response to El Vino saying that any NON-LEINSTER player has to offer a point of difference to expect selection.

    Thats b*llocks.

    Thats effectively saying that a Leinster player doesn't, - ie players who are second and third choice in Leinster in their position then making the match day 23 for Ireland. Which is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,404 ✭✭✭OldRio


    If you don't understand how utterly absurd your comparison is there is no helping you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Who cares so? Sounds like you don't go to any Ireland or Munster games from your statement "I try to watch most games at home" so really it's only your couch that will be missing you if you find it so impossible to support Ireland and Munster. The Chase or Britain's Got Talent might be on at the same time as a match, it may be easier for you to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,747 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It sounds like you spend a lot of time in front of the TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Have you figured out how seedings work yet? Your friend Jamie Heaslip may be able to help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,747 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




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