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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭crossman47


    And a situation where one club has nearly all the centrally contracted players is perfectly acceptable? All I know for sure is followeres outside Leinster will soon tire of turning up to see Leinster in green.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Well those who refuse to turn up to see "Leinster in green", especially down south, should have shown more concern when their own province was not producing players and instead were celebrating signing Boks, Kiwis, argies and aussies to beat the band in the last 15 years. Didn't hear much argument about those signings from the same people who are now upset that their own province are not well represented in the national set up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭El Vino


    The thing is I don't think he does, early in the tournament people were blitzing him and he was brilliant and letting the line come to him then delaying pass. As tournament went on people stopped doing this, France, Wales and even Italy. Then he looked a little static and when he received the ball and sat a bit deep. Worth watching him when he came on in the Italy game. This is from someone who thinks if Crowley kicks from the tee like he did V Italy he shouldn't be near the team.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,622 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    player is being touted for the national team who will likely not play in serious matches for our leading club.

    Is this the same Jamie Osborne who started all four knockout games in the Champions Cup last season? Is playing 100 minutes of the biggest game in club rugby not “serious”?

    By this logic, shouldn’t we refuse to pick any player whose province doesn’t make it to the “serious” games? I’m not sure that’s really what you want, is it?

    Imagine telling Jordie Barrett, thanks for your interest in Leinster but you can either join Connacht or jog on.

    FFS like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,040 ✭✭✭50HX


    It's been that way for a while now as they have supplied the best players bar a few debates

    Won't matter a sh1t to the irfu as long the seats are filled

    Just look at the Friday 8pm kick off times in the AI'S just gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Speak for yourself. I'll always turn up to support Ireland even if the entire squad came from Leinster, Ulster or Munster. Supporting the national team is supporting Ireland, not a province.

    I'm a Connacht man and I know that 99% of my fellow supporters think the same way.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    In Irish selection the best team is generally picked. Different provinces have dominated at different times.

    Who wants players, not international standard, from their province, picked as a token gesture?!

    The only player I ever despised being picked was Davy Tweed in the mid 90s. Well before everything came out, I couldn't stand him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I know for sure, I'm sick of it already.

    For a test I went to the pub AFTER the Italy game (I try to watch most games at home so I can hear the commentary of professionals rather than more lads like myself who almost/never played) and asked innocently "How did Leinster get on"?

    I've been an Ireland fan since the days of Ciaran Fitz, and a Munster fan about 20 years..

    They all knew exactly what I was saying when I asked that question…

    The best answer I got was: "They won, and the Castletownbere fella got 3 trys" (Sheehans father is from there)

    Its becoming almost impossible to be both an Ireland and a Munster man in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 397 ✭✭El Vino


    I find it easy enough but I live outside the country. If I was to try to explain to my English, French and Scottish supporting Friends that I didn’t support my home country as there were too many Leinster players in the squad they would think I’d gone mad. sure I’d like more Munster players but cohesion is a real thing and a non Leinster player has to offer a point of difference to make the team. That’s the road current coaching group has gone down because as the RTE Panel put it you can’t be expected to develop a game plan in 3 days so you might as well copy Leinster.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Packrat


    I understand the first half of your post, but vehemently disagree with the second.

    What that is basically saying is its Leinsters way or if you can't fit into that you can hump off from our NATIONS team.

    Ireland isn't just Dublin or Leinster (minus the marquee imports to try and win some/any tournament) and the day it is, - the Irish team can s*ag off for support from me or any rugby person with a brain outside Leinster/Dublin.

    Thats like what African Americans used to say about having to be 100% better to get parity....

    Bollovks to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Realistically, in the past year, Calvin Nash has a reasonable reason to have a gripe about not getting gametime in November but beyond that, there isn't exactly a whole host of lads who can say they are being wrongly ignored.

    Our Biggest concerns for me would be

    1. LHP - Porter needs to be able to play some 45-50min test matches.
    2. 7 - Really need to looks at Timoney and/or Hodnett in summer.
    3. 9 - Need Casey back strong but we also need to see a few younger guys brought through.
    4. Centre - Osborne needs to be given gametime at 12 (his best position) given the 3 mainstays are all over 30. There was a whiff of Gordon Darcy 2014 about Henshaw the last few weeks.

    At 6, I'd like to see Izuchukwu or ahern play in summer. Injury permitting, just play one of them there in all 2/3 games. Give them a Chance to find their feet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,049 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    That’s the road current coaching group has gone down because as the RTE Panel put it you can’t be expected to develop a game plan in 3 days so you might as well copy Leinster.

    Not sure this holds up. We're not Fiji or Georgia with limited access to our players, the IRFU has absolute control over every IQ player on the island of Ireland, they can (and frequently do) call training camps whenever they want and key players might go three months without playing for their province.

    In another thread, you're saying that we are only successful in the 6N precisely because of this system and everyone else catches up at RWC and exposes us for the shams we are. So there seems to be a contradiction there.

    The best players get picked. Leinster have the best players, so more Leinster players get picked. It's really that simple.

    It's up to people then to decide if they want to follow Ireland or not. The minority who choose not to are no loss.

    Post edited by Former Former Former on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,652 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Uhhh are you comparing a Munster person supporting the Irish rugby team with racial injustice in the United States?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,559 ✭✭✭OldRio


    'Thats like what African Americans used to say about having to be 100% better to get parity....'

    I honestly don't know where to start with that?

    FFS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,091 ✭✭✭Packrat


    It was a response to El Vino saying that any NON-LEINSTER player has to offer a point of difference to expect selection.

    Thats b*llocks.

    Thats effectively saying that a Leinster player doesn't, - ie players who are second and third choice in Leinster in their position then making the match day 23 for Ireland. Which is happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,559 ✭✭✭OldRio


    If you don't understand how utterly absurd your comparison is there is no helping you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Who cares so? Sounds like you don't go to any Ireland or Munster games from your statement "I try to watch most games at home" so really it's only your couch that will be missing you if you find it so impossible to support Ireland and Munster. The Chase or Britain's Got Talent might be on at the same time as a match, it may be easier for you to watch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It sounds like you spend a lot of time in front of the TV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Have you figured out how seedings work yet? Your friend Jamie Heaslip may be able to help.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,652 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Edit : mistake



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,303 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    14 - 2

    That's the reason there are more Leinster players on the Ireland team than Munster.

    Pure and simple, Leinster have better players.

    Nothing to do with discrimination, persecution complexes or whatever.

    Why people think the famous leinster die-hards Andy Farrell, Paul o connell, Simon easterby, Andrew goodman and John Fogarty are out to get Munster is beyond comprehension.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    Everybody including Leinster fans want the other Provinces to be producing International quality players but it is just not happening. But its up to them to sort it out. The central contracts are going to the best players.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    If the central contracts are supposed to discourage players from leaving, why are they given to the players who are with the best team, getting the best wages, the best chance of silverware (theoretically) and playing international rugby?

    These lads should have the least desire to leave the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,974 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm sorry but the little forgotten about province in the west of Ireland is producing international players. We have Aki, Bealham and Hansen there and a host of players on the periphery.

    Our little province with about a fifth of the population of Leinster is doing a great job.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    'producing' is debatable, but Connacht is punching above its weight. Can we hope to Cathal Forde or Matthew Devine or Ben Murphy capped this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    I fully agree. I want them to produce more! The IRFU should give them everything they need to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭Billy_the_Kid
    Master


    ..if the IRFU decided to have minimum 3 central contracts per province I would support it

    Because it is the best players who get huge offers from French and English teams.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Asked innocently, would you get out of it. Went looking for for something to be outraged over, and shockingly, you found it.



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