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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭ersatz


    For fans and opinionators like us I don’t think Crowley’s performance clarifies that he’s better at anything than SP. He had a big chance, it was Italy and they copped 2 cards, you really couldn’t ask for more yet he was no more than adequate and wouldn’t really be the focus of any positive match review. Goes down as a missed opportunity for him. Maybe the selectors know what they’re doing even if there are legitimate questions about coaching for attack and mental prep..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,295 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Ireland's attack is gone to the dogs, it's nothing to do with who plays outhalf, it's by design. We're kicking more, passing & carrying less but kicking more, and without checking I think we're scoring less too.

    We're also seem to be held up over the line a bit more too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,204 ✭✭✭✭mfceiling


    Izzy was to be picked for the Wales game but got injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    Baird has nearly 30 caps and has never really laid claim to a jersey in any of his performances. I think he'd be better off concentrating on becoming a loose head lock because as a 6 he doesn't work. To be honest I'd put Aherne in the same boat, just because he's pacy doesn't mean he's a back row. Should also play as a loose head lock. I haven't watched enough of Izuchukwu other than 1 underwhelming performance vs. Fiji to comment.

    McNabney at Ulster is the one to look out for as a blindside.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭50HX


    Would agree with most of that, he should have ripped it up given the opposition and also lack of time at 10 in the previous weeks.

    I don't know is it me or not but watching the match sat I felt alot more ball goes through the 10's hands when there is familiarity between the 9 &10.

    Look back at the same game last year with casey & crowley



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    Bit of a left field suggestion from me here but would there be any merit in trying a Prendergast 10 and Crowley 12 combination over the summer? It would require a physical 13 to make gainline success but perhaps having 2 playmakers in midfield might give us some sort of cutting edge in attack? The current selection of centres were hopeless this year in that regard. Would Osborne make a good 13 in that selection?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    Let's be honest, the 10 debate is a distraction from the real issue. The team is poorly coached and trying to play a game plan that doesn't suit the team's strengths. I'd hope Leinster get rid of Neinabaer, we don't have the profile of players here to play that hugely physical off-ball type game. And unfortunately it's bleeding into the national team.

    We could have had prime Sexton at 10 the last 2 games and I don't think the results would have been much different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,755 ✭✭✭50HX


    For me Osbourne has to be given a fair crack at 12 which is summer tour & all the November games to start with

    Bar injuries I don't see him starting at 12 for leinster come 1/4 finals onwards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭LostArt


    Unfortunately for him if Henshaw and Jordi are fit it's likely he won't make the 23 in the business end of Europe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,058 ✭✭✭vetinari


    Crowley's biggest strength compared to Prendergast is that he can tackle and handle bringing the ball into contact.

    His pass for the disallowed try to Keenan and the pass for the try to Conan at the end of French game are only possible if you're willing to risk getting tackled. Prendergast is a better technical passer of the ball but his effectiveness is hampered by him not wanting to risk being tackled.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,400 ✭✭✭clsmooth


    What’s the deal with Gleeson? He’s only gotten 230 minutes with Munster this year in 8 appearances. Has he been injured or is has his underage form/power not quite translated to senior rugby yet?

    I’d be expecting Farrell to be suggesting him and Hugh Gavin get fast tracked considering they were standout players at U20 and look physically big enough to be starting regular URC games at least. I expect them to be capped in Summer depending on injuries but need to be getting more minutes in the URC.

    Henry Pollock whose a year younger for comparison was played 977 mins across 18 games (although two of those have U20 and one an England A game) this season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus


    Henry Pollock made his senior England debut on Saturday and scored twice. The commentary team seemed to think he was still eligible for U20s this year, although I don't know that that's true. I'm not sure any young Irish backrower can be usefully compared to him, unfortunately.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    And how many of those caps were

    A. Consistent

    B. He started or played at 6?

    He or any other 6 need a proper run in the team, not 1 or 2 games before being cut for POM time and time again.

    I like McNabney too and think he could be the man, but knowing us we’ll probably drop him after 1 game if he doesn’t put in a POTM performance, call POM out of retirement and then wonder why we are struggling at 6…

    It’s the Irish way!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,210 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    But that’s a national team problem. Leinster are unbeaten all season, have scored the most points in URC while conceding the least so that game plan is obviously working for them. Nienabar shouldn’t not be kept on because the Irish coaching team can’t adapt/or get their ideas across.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 490 ✭✭zetor 4911




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Looking back at the Italy game, the amount of knock ins was mind boggling…a tell tale sign of a side that isn’t focused, which tells there’s issue with the coaching.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,292 ✭✭✭Paul Smeenus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,404 ✭✭✭OldRio


    England's under 20s team this year are huge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    So POC, Sexton and Easterby going on Lions tour as coaches so who will run the summer tour?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,388 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    I still can't believe they didn't win the u20 6N.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭almostover


    Agree with you, but the problem is when the national team is so reliant on Leinster's success it bleeds through. It's very hard for Ireland to play differently to Leinster when they contribute 75% of the match day 23 for most games.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,749 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Why can't you just ask the question without referencing somebody else?

    He was awful defensively yesterday. I think he gets another game because of his history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,749 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I'm starting to wonder if he should be a 13. He can play full back and on the wing, that would suggest he is made to play 13.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'll respond to you when you acknowledge you were chatting absolute nonsense by saying Osborne was 'very poor' against France despite the mountain of evidence presented to you which suggested otherwise - which you conveniently ignored.

    You've been proven to argue in bad faith so until you prove otherwise, you're not worthy of an adult conversation with me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,061 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    He's played 13, with Frawley at 12. They complimented each other well



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,061 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I don't think I'd buy that assessment. I agree that Prendergast needs to work on his carrying in its own right. However his passing game is built around delayed passes. He takes it right to the line and that hesitation is what stalls defenders and creates space for others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,349 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    The counter point to that is how valuable it is to the attack to have the OH so regularly at the bottom of ruck? It is all about finding the right balance.

    Personally, I agree that Prendergast can turn the dial up a bit more on how frequently he follows through on attempting to make breaks but nearly everything regarding the selection decisions for the majority of the tournament points to the coaching ticket being ok with, if not actively telling, him to continue as he is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 727 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Crowley's biggest strength compared to Prendergast is that he can tackle

    I was at the game and haven't watched it back, but in the first half it very much looked like he missed a simple first up tackle on one of their centres to concede a massive linebreak. He'd want to be making those if it's meant to be a big differentiating factor between him and Prendergast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,636 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Doesn't that suggestion illustrate how the IRFU have made serious errors in favouring Leinster? A player is being touted for the national team who will likely not play in serious matches for our leading club.

    Other errors include allowing Syman to come to Leinster (if he couldn't stay with Munster then he should have been told Ulster and Connacht were his options) and Barrett similarly (Leinster have at least three potential internationa centres already).

    Without adding much to the SP/Crowley debate, its no surprise to me that SP looks better at club level - hes getting a rolls royce service from a dominant pack while Crowley is trying to cope behind the worst Munster pack in years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77




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