Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

I tend to take a lot of stuff out there on media and social media with a pinch of salt. The fact that the palastenian authority or Hamas made no comment on it seems to suggest it might be fake, but I'm not saying it absolutely is.

There are many fake news items out there for clicks and to sell papers and a theft of that magnitude you would make for bigger news. Everyone seems to be following just this one report if you search on media.

Israel is guilty of real theft of course, lives, peoples homes and land, freedom for people to live their own autonomous lives in their own country. lots of stuff they're really guilty of that's been proven.

I missed this reported comment from Trump in his meeting with MM yesterday. Not sure if he's just commenting on "right now" or is stating future policy…

Haaretz:
After U.S. President Trump said that "nobody is expelling any Palestinians from Gaza" during a meeting in the White House with Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin on Wednesday, Egypt's Foreign Ministry commented that it appreciated Trump's statement.

Support for that lad Trumps trying to deport -

Demonstrators led by Jewish Voice for Peace demanding release of Palestinian activist stood in US president’s New York City building"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/13/protesters-trump-tower-mahmoud-khalil

"All the Gazans would have to relocate" she says so casually with a giggle so that they could create this riviera. Very convenient to say the least.

Yet you want "constructive feedback" from a very biased 'discussion'…….

I can see why you enjoyed it.

Some very good discussion on removing Hamas, which I agree with. But the interview must predate recent announcements by Hamas that they will have no part in Gaza.

So that renders half the interview moot (assuming Hamas are good to their word of course).

The rest of it seemed to be mildly Arab bashing and justifying all Israel has done in Gaza, the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Lebanon.

No mention of land grabbing, illegal occupation. War Crimes or Genocide. So it gives a decent insight into the way these two Israelis think.

But, it was interesting and thanks for sharing.

I notice the Israeli apologists are complaining about the detention of Duterte as it backs up their claim that the ICC is a biased and corrupt organisation engaging in a witchhunt against Israel.

Oh wait... they have nothing to say about it because the arrest of Duterte along with other indictments shows their argument is nonsense. Isn't it funny how Duterte, Putin and Bibi have one thing in common; they all believe they are being unfairly targeted and their backers agree with them.

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I spotted that report yesterday. Absolutely disgusting. I hope the Gardai follow up and apprehend the perpetrator.

I don't think it's indicative of rampant antisemitism nor do I see anyone "applauding" this kind of behaviour. If they are, they should be ashamed of themselves.

The Irish Government gave support to Hamas when they recognised the state of Palestine within months of The OCT 7th attack.

Hamas jumped for joy when they receved that bounty from Ireland for their slaughter of Jews. If you're performing actions that legtimise the actions of a terrorist organisation you're kinda supporting them.

Imagine if Ireland had recognised the manifesto of Al Queda withinn 6 months of the 9/11 attacks.

I have no objection to the recognition of the Palestinian state, but chosing that moment do so was appaling.

Also, even worse, within weeks of Oct 7th, the Palestinian representative to Ireland was given a standing ovation at the Sinn Fein ard Fheis, with Matt Carty leading the chant of 'In our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians."

If that's not the Irish political establishment showing common ground with Hamas i don't know what is. Bear in mind, that that Palestinian representative did an interview with RTE within days of Oct 7th and point-blank refused to call Hamas terrorists.

A huge percentage of the Irish population is sympathetic to Hamas/Hezbollah on the basis of what they see as historical commonalities. They see Hamas as being freedom fighters not terrorists. A full 23% of the Irish voting public gave their votes to Sinn Fein/IRA in the recent election, an organisation which presents the PLO/Hamas as brothers in arms in the fight against oppression and colonisation.

When you add that to the PBP vote and other leftwing loonies you can get a better understanding of how many people are sympathetic to the kind of pro hamas anti jew tropes, sterotypes and propogandas there are out there in Ireland today.

Trying to pretend that their isn't a bizarre unapologetic left-wing core support for Hams is just wrong at this stage.

Trying to pretend that Ireland doesn't have a huge issue with antisemitism is equally incorrect. It's dominated this tread since Oct 2023. Just pretending it doesn't exist doesn't make it go away.

In the 6 months since October 7th, plenty happened - most of it involved the mass murder of tens of thousands of Gazans by the Israeli military, which massively eclipsed October 7th in terms of human lives taken. I don't understand why you frame the Irish governments recognition of a Palestinian state purely as being within a certain timeframe to October 7th, doing so completely negates all the other lives taken.

All parties you list, Sinn Fein, pbp etc - are not in government. I'll take your word for it that they were singing we are all Palestinians, but this does not mean any support for Hamas. If someone in the USA say they are Irish does it mean they support the IRA? You are equating two different things.

And still, not 1 person in government, or in opposition, said they support what Hamas did. All unanimously condemned it, as they should. What they did was an attempt to delegitamize Israel's ethnic cleansing (in the face of massive pressure and slander), and I don't see how anybody with a moral compass could say there is anything wrong with this. That is not remotely the same thing as supporting Hamas no matter how much you equate it.

Being against Israeli governments conquest and genocidal behaviour against their neighbors is patently not antisemetic. I don't know why you keep this up- any country behaving like this should expect robust criticism and sanction (like Russia - which Israel don't get for some reason). Them behaving like this has nothing to do with the Jewish religion, and criticism of it isn't against their religion.

I am a supporter of Zionism in so much that I believe Jewish people should have a homeland, including a right to defend itself etc, but their country must be within recognized borders, and I am absolutely against this country claiming it has to exist on the basis of dispossessing and oppressing millions of people, removing their human rights, and their the current tactic of mass destruction and ethnic cleansing.

Just because you constantly say opposition to Israeli aggression is antisemetic, it doesn't make it so. Jewish people have always been treated fairly in this country, 99% of Irish people don't give a sh*t what religion you are, this is reflected in history and politics here since the formation of the state. Twitter is a load of horsesh*t, discussion on it don't even approach real life.

You started a few months ago claiming to be an 'innocent abroad' with no knowledge of Israel politics and the war, yet here you are now posting antisemitic tropes with the best of them

Who would guess people would learn things and adopt their views accordingly eh. I was v ignorant of Israel /Palestine,still am in many ways,never lived there, visited there, or met an Israeli or Palestinian.

But I've learned an awful lot since then, and it has been rage inducing, absolutely horrific and utterly depressing.

What I see from the Israeli government in their treatment of this country and its people, is absolutely extremist nonsense and outrageous lies which still makes my jaw drop. Your rant is similarly slanderous and tbh, extraordinary.

The language is the predictable venacular of the antisemite, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, genocide, oppressor, etc, although it's always masked as 'fair comment' or 'honest opinion'.

I call it as I see it so you stick your slanderous vernacular comment where the sun don't shine. Did you not see the IDF bombing schools, hospitals,and the refugee camps that they horded displaced people into? Did you not see them blockading food, aid and water? Did you not see that a city of 2 million people, who mostly lived their lives in poverty, now doesn't exist and has been replaced by mass graves and smouldering rubble? Did you not hear Israeli politicians calling for the women in Palestine to be killed and their houses raised?

Because I, and many saw and heard it, and the blinkered guff you post doesn't explain to me why all this destruction, death, and evil rhetoric was necessary or justified. It sickens me that any western democracy can do this without sanction. You ask us, without shame, to ignore our eyes and ears, the things we see happening, and if we speak of the sheer disgust we have for it, we are antisemetic? It's pathetic. Of course you can't actually argue the points- defending the indefensible is a fruitless task, much easier to try to slander the person saying it with disgraceful accusations. It seems to me the tactics of a fraud.

Condeming Hamas, as many posters on here do, only to spend the next 50 posts attacking Israel is just a fig leaf to conceal their true intentions. It's very transparent.

No it isn't. Israel are responsible for 95% of deaths in this war so should be receiving the lions share of criticism. That would be true in any conflict. Yet you try to shut this down, whilst simultaneously putting October 7th as the only atrocity in this war worth talking about. Do you actually not give a sh*t about the tens of thousands of other people who were killed? Because I never hear you stick up for them even once, and we all know how you shamelessly label those that do.

Israel exists! Claiming it has no right to exist under your conditions is about as antisemitic as its gets. Hamsa and Hezbollah and numerous other bad faith actors refuse to accept that right to exist.

What are you talking about lad? Ether you are lying (again) of didn't read my post. I'm all for Israel. But I expect them to behave like any other country and not annex territory and blockade food and energy to millions of people outside their borders, I expect them to obey international law. I expect this of any country, but when i'm not willing to have an absolutely enormous level of blinkered exceptionalism solely toward Israel, ohhh sheepy pulls out the antisemetic card.

Israel are not oppressing millions of people.

Well feck me, I doubt the most hard-nosed right wing Israelis would even say this....

Ireland is anglophobic, racist and now, ever more transparently, antisemitic.

The post gets more and more ridiculous. The fact you feel qualified to tar Ireland, a whole fekin country ,as racist, explains a lot about you casually throwing around antismeitism claims. Truth, facts, common sense all don't matter a single jot to you as long as you "win". But you know what sheepy? They do matter to some people. People are smarter and see through bullsh*t much more than you and your buddies give them credit for.

Israel are not oppressing millions of people.

Who is occupying the West Bank, Golan and Arab East Jerusalem? The Mexicans?

Israel are not oppressing millions of people.

It's being interesting to observe you posting on this thread.

Ditto.

Hamas seized power in Gaza, caused a civil war, killed hundreds of Palistinian police, oppressed both gays and women.

They wasted billions of dollars of humanitarian aid building tunnels, acquiring weapons and training their Islamic Jihadists.

They launched a murderous invasion of another country, slaughterd 1200 people, refused to surrender, prolonged the war and are responsible for their country lying in ruins and the countless unnecessary deaths of their own people.

They have held up the social, economic an cultural development of their own country for over two decades.

Right now, there is an Arab coalition of countries offering a Gaza rebuild fund of 57 billion waiting to begin reconstruction of the region, but guess what, they won't proceed as long as Hamas are in Gaza because they, correctly, don't want Hamas to benefit from their assistance.

So, yes, absolutely, Hamas is oppressing their own people, and have done so for a very long time.

The people of Gaza can have houses, apartments, schools, hospitals, road, jobs, business, hotels, marinas, democracy and opportunity the moment Hamas **** off forever.

Hamas are the actual oppression in Gaza, only fools deny it.

I don't give a damn about Hamas BUT they are not dropping 2,000 pound bombs on children, sniping nuns, stopping aid, cutting off water and electricity from millions. That is the Israelis so all that gunk you typed might fool a few but not the rest of us.. The ICJ have issued arrest warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant and that proves my point. Only fools can't see that.