Enoch Burke turns up to school again despite sacking - read OP before posting

He did travel with them. He was at the protest with them earlier in the day.

Political leanings are not a binary state. It's a spectrum, just like other aspects of life.

I haven't seen any explanation for how the Burkes managed to get into the National Building Museum to make their protest.

Surely with the VIPs attending, and this being the USA, there would have been serious security at the event.

My thought is that the Burkes have support from their evangelical friends in the US and they had insider assistance to get into the event.

If they have a legal argument, then the courtroom is where they should put it forward. But they don't take this option. They seem to be more interested in martyr like behaviour. I assume they believe their actions are pleasing to their god. I can't understand otherwise why they'd behave the way they do.

Hopefully this stunt will motivate authorities to stop letting this circus continue back in ireland. Its a joke.

I agree with you. So what would your suggestion be? It's not quite so simple to deal with it.

Enoch is easier to deal with. Any time he goes near the school, send him off for a holiday in Mountjoy. If he keeps doing it, make the holidays longer and longer.

Harder to deal with the rest of the family. I know there are loads saying lock them up, but it's not that simple. Lock them up if they cause an inconvenience or disruption at a private event is an option but I can't see that happening. We will end up having to lock up everyone who trespasses, or causes a nusiance, and, in fairness, what's the point of a protest if you don't cause a nusiance?

I know they are a pain in the hole, but it isn't simple to stop them.

They dressed up and were white.

The very reason they behave so wildly is because they have no rational arguments.

They have defamed and abused and harassed many people who did nothing to deserve what happened to them.

As you really, really should know by now, Enoch was not sacked due to anything to do with pronouns. It was because of his vile behaviour towards his boss - the principal.

Enoch could have calmly challenged that directive, he would have lost imho - but he chose to be an aggressive prick and has to bear the consequences of his behaviour.

You're giving him a lot of leeway he doesn't deserve tbh. And assuming he'd be OK with calling the pupil who was "John" last week, "Mary" this week - as if.

There most certainly is!

Who are are you to stiffle discussion.

Not true at all this is where it gets silly with your type of attitude. That is strangely dogmatic. You are creating issues for the sake of it. Which is really unhelpful. You are as dogmatic as the Burkes on the other side. In your own way.

I will give you a practical example in Irish Hiberno-English the common expression in a pub would be when a person was talking to someone you don’t know,

Would be “Whose yer wan/ whose yer man?”

Now I am asking a simple question what would the trans equivalent be? If I knew they were trans? If I didn’t do I break into a cold sweat for fear of causing offence?
Is it zum/zie/zir?

Or do I just stick to “howaya horse what’s the craic?” And avoid the minefield. No problem if I know the person’s name (I would stick to that) , but if I didn’t I’d be all over the shop. Not knowing what is the appropriate. It wouldn’t be a natural flow of speech for me and it would feel forced otherwise.

From what have learnt these pronouns are a fairly recent American invention. Are there Irish Hiberno-English versions yet?

I saw a program (current affairs) on pronouns trans etc. The really funny part was the non-trans pro- “new” pronouns person kept breaking into him/her instead of they/them (for the trans person in studio)

Much to their own embarrassment. As him/her was much more natural parlance for this person even though they were all for the new pronouns. She tied herself in knots with the language and the studio audience started laughing.

Grand at least I got an explanation it basically kills my usual “yer man or yer wan” expression in a trans scenario.But percentage wise of such a scenario arising are very slim.

Funny enough though, I was in the gym there recently, I honestly wasn’t sure whether the person was male/female due to severe weight issues - not a trans issue. Just knew them to see, type thing.

So when I got the chance I asked the person’s name. I was very relieved as I could have really dug a hole for myself by saying “yer wan” and shattered the person’s confidence. As the person is male!

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I agree with you on Burke he was just looking for a crusade. The definition of indoctrination.

The student is not even in his class for a start. And the principal seemed willing to make allowances for him which is fair enough.

Instead it is basically the worst advertisement for his religion you could get. As the majority of religions have some level of tolerance/compassion.

Christ on a bike, a few Saturday wines turns some into a Burke. If there's no debate whose going to stop Ignorant people siding with the Burkes anyway.

its as clear as day that the Burkes are uncivilised..

to be civilised should be a pre requisite for any job.

Maybe they behave like they do because Enoch has been locked in jail for 513 days, maybe they feel that this is very unjust, just saying !