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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123264891#Comment_123264891

    Wild guess here. Is it like hitler?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sure. Why wouldn't it be? You just posted an opinion with no evidence. Its not a war crime. Just a half-baked opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    and it received half baked consideration.

    Which is coincidentally exactly what happens if i say it to the right wing extremists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,053 ✭✭✭Suckler


    Ah yes the 'Palestinians were fine pre-Oct 7th' line.

    It'd be great to be able to ignore the causes of such bilateral hatred between the two peoples, but anyone who satisfies themselves with such easy and simplistic viewpoints "is dead to me".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    It received appropriate consideration. I asked for evidence, you said you don't have any to offer, I dismissed it.

    How much consideration do you give to opinions with absolutely no evidence attached?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭Greyfox


    I never claimed that it was there responsibility, I just asked if you know the difference between the two because your post suggested that you don't make a clear distinction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    if its a consequential moral question probably average attention.

    Stats are nice but theyre not always conveniently available or fully representative.

    anyway, i can see you have either made up your mind, or are going by your issued political guidebook, plus your opinion is irrelevant to me so no more time for you.

    Say something snippy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Have you ever met someone that has had an abortion? It’s not just take a tablet and all is good, it can be excruciatingly painful, no one is using abortions as a form of contraceptive.

    If you believe this to be true, please provide evidence to support your claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I gave it consideration in the first post. Abortion sad and ought not be used as contraception, ultimate decision is the woman's. I'm asking if it actually exists or to what extent. You can't say if it does. So the consideration ends there.

    What do you actually want? Do you want to be told you're very clever for coming up with a hypothetical scenario?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    • According to the "Abortion Statistics, England and Wales: 2022" report, published on December 18, 2024, 252,122 abortions were reported in England and Wales. Of these, 251,377 were for residents of England and Wales.
    • Among women who had abortions in 2022:
      • 57% (approximately 143,285 women) had not had a previous abortion.
      • 43% (approximately 108,092 women) had one or more previous abortions.
    • Breaking it down further:
      • 35% had one previous abortion.
      • 8% had two or more previous abortions (this includes women with three or more, but specific breakdowns beyond two are not detailed in the summary tables).
      • Scotland (UK Region with Separate Reporting):
    • In 2022, Information Services Division (ISD) Scotland reported 13,341 abortions. Of these:
      • 63% were to women with no previous abortions.
      • 37% were to women with one or more previous abortions (26% with one, 11% with two or more).

    The CDC’s "Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2021" report, covering 37 states with complete data, shows:
    57% of women who had abortions in 2021 had no previous abortions.

    35% had one or two previous abortions.

    8% had three or more previous abortions.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/abortion-statistics-for-england-and-wales-2022

    https://www.publichealthscotland.scot/publications/termination-of-pregnancy-statistics/termination-of-pregnancy-statistics-year-ending-december-2023/

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/ss/ss7209a1.htm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Those that want multiple abortions should be facilitated to terminate by the state.
    The alternative will cost the state much more over the lifetime if these children are born.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Thank you for giving statistics that aren’t relevant to Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    it will also make abortion more casual and frequent causing more suffering to more aborted.

    presently theres no thought given to that suffering. because they lost.

    it doesnt have to cost the state much either. we'll offer the first one as we unfortunately must, even the second. Its a tough call, we understand. Life happens. We have chosen to put the woman first.

    But a third?

    Why is there no question about this? Its been established that its her body her choice, that debate is over, but are we now muted from questioning the status quo?

    You're terminating a third life, you may have caused suffering to a fetus for the third time. But no questions allowed because that sounds too much like an old debate.

    Her body her choice indeed, but my country my choice. We dont have to intervene, we dont have to break the bond of her body her choice. We can walk away. We can look at the circumstances and decide not to get involved.

    it was your body your choice the first two times and we respected that. I dont see the same moral obligation for the state by the third time. I think by then we have the right to some answers if shes coming to the state looking.

    How many times are you going to come to us? Are you disregarding the feelings of other human/sentient beings?

    by the third time we can maybe consider the rights of the fetus. This isnt a pro-life argument. That ship has sailed. We all get it. Please dont revert to it. This is a pro-moderation argument.

    And this places no automatic restriction on the woman pursuing her further abortions, she can still go abroad and get that done. What it does do is remove the country from the process and the moral consequences when we deem appropriate. We have to put the woman first but we also have to place some value, any value on the fetus, some damn trace of sympathy.

    And thats my controversial opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    best i have rn. proves the issue. google is your friend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭purifol0


    This is only true if the child is female. When it comes to contributions to the state over the course of a lifetime: Men contribute far more than they take out, women are the opposite.

    This is very much a global phenomenon.

    Controversial ,yet completely true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    EmmetSpiceland: Oft imitated but never bettered.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 858 ✭✭✭csirl


    Thought this thread was about people stating what their opinions are rather than having lengthy debates on topics



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,572 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And that doesn't go any deeper into the point Duderino was making. Eg I'd imagine a significant proportion of the 8% referenced isn't for remotely straight forward purposes. Everything from abuse to medical reasons could be major factors. So your approach is to punish the woman and potentially bring a child into pretty dire circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I love that. God forbid anyone should ask why someone holds an opinion.

    The Streets had a lyric: It's hard enough remembering my opinions, without remembering my reasons for 'em.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,216 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There is only one "party" to take into account.

    Bizarre how those who go on and on about the "suffering" of a literally brainless embryo, seem to think that getting squeezed out through a much too small vagina to the extent of deforming the skull is painless.

    We also know from our 20th century history that suffering doesn't end at birth for children born into bad circumstances. I'd regard forcing people who really don't want to be parents to become parents as a fúcking awful idea, yes more kids will be born but many of them will lead miserable lives.

    Then there's the many women who have abortions who already have kids. They're making their decision to protect the welfare of the kids they already have. The days of popping out more and more kids into poverty and hoping that God will provide are long gone.

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Papagei


    My controversial opinion is that the famous sports star likely didn't commit the crime he was accused of. Well, I don't actually consider it controversial, it's quite reasonable based on the evidence, however others seemingly do deem it controversial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    I had to double check who wrote that post in case it was me and I forgot. Spot on cj.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,216 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Funny how nearly all prisoners are male then isn't it?

    Takes two to tango but you're happy to ascribe all the costs of supporting a child on welfare to the woman. There are plenty of worthless males who have impregnated women left right and centre and contribute nothing monetary or otherwise to the upbringing of their children, but naaah.. wimmin are the problem 🙄

    Post edited by Hotblack Desiato on

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,216 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    My not so controversial opinion is that people who call rape victims liars are beneath contempt.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭Papagei


    Yes I agree with that assuming they aren't lying.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,030 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    If it's been established that they're a rape victim then it would be beneath contempt. Taking a strong stance before the facts have been established is silly. Deciding the accuser is telling rhe truth or lying, or deciding the guilt or innocence of the accused when an allegation is made is silly.

    Does anyone remember the "I believe her" movement? That was really bad. You can take accusations seriously and investigate them without presupposing either side is right or wrong. Putting pressure to believe either side before the investigation is a form of corruption.

    Historically there has been corruption to to protect the powerful from the weak in these situations and that should definitely be ended too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    Cases like that are why we should have abortion available. And do.

    Sentience occurs in the womb, the aborted can suffer, the fact that youd completely disregard their rights is whats really bizarre.

    We moderate practically everything in our daily lives, society had learned that life requires balance. But not in terminations. The debate whipped up emotions and left a dumb binary absolutist choice, all or nothing.

    Thats why I can find news stories of women having fifth, sixth abortions. On the state, but with no state oversight. Complete disregard for human life, but it cant be mentioned or youre this or that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Sacha_N


    A bit of oversight by the state could be there to sort out the cases. Its not a zero empathy approach. Some women out there treat abortion as a means of contraception, with a rather casual manner, treating human life as disposable, to their whim. Such people are far from victim status. Yet the collective bleeding heart is there for them. And we dare not question.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,393 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    the fact that youd completely disregard their rights is whats really bizarre.

    But you can? So long as it's a first or second pregnancy, the rights of the fetus don't matter to you. But if it's a third or subsequent termination, suddenly the rights of the fetus are important? You are entitled to hold hypocritical nonsensical opinions if you wish, just be honest about why.



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