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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Well then,

    Let's get verification on this or what is going on?

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,702 ✭✭✭Infini


    To be fair that was back at a time when governments would have been more wary and Russia was being more covert though they still suffered consequences for it. If he pulled that sort of shít now in the UK in the current environment it would guarantee a near certain Article 5 response and bring the rest of Europe into a direct confrontation with Vatnik Russia. Everything right now is being waged at a level that tries to cause damage but with being below the level that would provoke a major responce. Hence why they've been damaging infrastructure so far. If they move to killing citizens of NATO countries it might cross the line that see's Russia get a nasty surprise from NATO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Estonian Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna called for the suspension of Hungary's voting rights in the Council of the European Union for systematic actions against Europe's common interests.

    Tsahkna commented on the extension of the EU sanctions list for six months, which was delayed due to Hungary's demands – and for which three Russian oligarchs had to be excluded from the list.

    "For political reasons, Hungary made the continuation of sanctions dependent on the exclusion of Russian businessmen Vyacheslav Kantor, Mikhail Degtyarev and Gulbahor Ismailova from the sanctions list," he stressed.

    The Estonian Foreign Minister stressed that there are no grounds for lifting and easing sanctions against Russia, as it has not abandoned its goal of seizing Ukraine and changing the European security architecture.

    "Hungary is systematically working against Europe's common security interests, and therefore we must quickly take concrete steps and move forward under the Article 7 procedure, i.e. the suspension of Hungary's voting rights," Tsahkna added.

    Well said, except it should have been said and done at least 3 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The same Russians who have barely moved the frontline in Ukraine over the last three years are not only going to overwhelm Ukraine, but the rest of Europe as well?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,937 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I agree with you completely but it's more that Europe has to be prepared to deal with an unpredictable and reckless dictator who's willing to push lines and gamble on weak responses.

    I mean right now, at this exact moment in time, Europe alone could decimate Russia, in fact Poland alone could probably do it, but not without a lot of suffering and loss.

    Rearmament is a deterrent to ensure he never, ever tries to push those lines in the first place, and if he does, there's a one sided destruction that spares the rest of Europe any damage and suffering in the first place.

    For example, after 1943, Germany didn't have the vaguest hope of actually winning the Second World War, but look at how much destruction, suffering and damage was caused between then and 1945. Literally millions dead.

    A war between Russia and Europe, right now, would inevitably result in a resounding EU victory, but not without a level of loss absolutely noone wants to see.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭JJayoo


    Why do they have to announce everything ffs why are they informing the Russians



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,367 ✭✭✭thomil


    It's from Welt.de, a German newspaper & news station. Here's the actual article:

    https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article255701894/Ukraine-Gespraeche-Europaeische-Sicherheitsberater-auf-diplomatischem-Blitzbesuch-in-Washington.html

    Whilst Welt is far too right-leaning for my taste, being part of the same publishing group as Bild, this type of stuff is not something they tend to get wrong, so I'd view this as genuine.

    I'm still struggling to find a confirmation about the Taurus story. It might be behind a paywall, so I wouldn't rule it out, as it was part of the negotiations between CDU and SPD about forming a coalition, but so far, I've seen nothing definitive either on Spiegel, N-TV or Welt.

    Interestingly, the Bundeswehr has recently started planning to acquire a replacement for Taurus, with Sweden beginning plans to integrate Taurus into their forces, in particular the Gripen C. Given Mr. Merz's more hawkish stand, not to mention the recent budget breakthrough, and a reactivation of the Taurus assembly line on the horizon, I wouldn't rule out the chance of Taurus being provided to Ukraine within a relatively short notice.

    I'm still curious how they'll solve the mission planning issue though.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin has never stopped attacking the EU and the US. Just because he didn't militarily attack Europe, dosent mean that he was not attacking them, because he was, full time. Each and every way he could, mostly deniable. Interference in elections, internet hacking, generally being as destructive as he could possibly be as we have seen with the spate of undersea cable cutting. And that's not going to stop, until Putin himself is stopped, one way or another. There will not be any peace until he is gone, and the Russian Federation reduced to state where it poses a threat to no one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭Field east


    you omitted all the people that he /his ‘friends’ invite to ‘special afternoon tea’!!!!!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    The Bradley did it's job, protecting the soldiers operating it, without the turret flying skywards after being hit by munitions unlike many Orc fighting vehicles & tanks. Just like a damaged bomber aircraft still manages to get it's crew back to base to fight another day.

    Russia on the other hand sends many of it's troops into battle on mopeds, golf carts & using donkeys, most are not coming back to fight again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Trying to understand your position here.

    The Russians are conducting non-military attacks on Europe right now, with the idea of softening them up for a military invasion later in the future? Is this your position?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,806 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    You could just as easily say it's no fun being in a tank being hit with an anti-tank missile from a CV90. That and the fact that you can have more of them for the same cost.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,579 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    "It was not us who went, but Putin's Russia".

    Article in the Siberian press about the times over increases in torture cases now in Russia. The general population are feeling more oppression by the FSB and FSIN.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,579 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    A former Russian deputy Alexy Gorinov is serving seven years in a Russian prison for "fakes" about the Russian army. His crime was proposing a minutes silence in memory of victims of aggression in Ukraine. He's been in jail since July 2022. Now he's been added to a list of terrorists and extremists against the Russian state.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    A message to Putin? "We can keep this up too"

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭thatsdaft




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,152 ✭✭✭threeball


    Canada will have to pivot to European arms. To purchase arms entirely from the one country who could pose a threat is nonsensical.

    It wasn't a consideration before Trump but it should be going forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    They might be in a bind there. They have already signed a contract for 88 F-35s and it might cost a lot to break that contract, and they have manufacturers who supply parts for them to Lockheed. Their Airforce would kick up a fuss because they really don't want more than one aircraft type.

    Why they went for such a huge number is a question. Australia ordered about 75.

    The alternative looks like being the Gripen, as Dassault declined to offer them the Rafale as they want extensive interoperability with the US forces and that likely would have meant the US would get to learn all their secrets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Yes, but to be fair, the ones who got an invitation to tea, were for the most part, soon to be ex-friends of his, or from his regime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 898 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    As the saying goes, no point throwing good money after bad. Or falling for sunk cost fallacy.

    Of course the military wanted the shiniest toys. Watch how they, in retrospect, reconsider.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Break contracts, have it drag out in courts for years, what US gonna do invade em? They already being regularly being threatened with that (in that’s scenario those expensive planes become junk anyways)

    Next president could just be a dictator for a day and undo the contracts

    That’s what US has been reduced to now by Trump and his supporters

    They want a world without rules and laws, well that works both ways



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 898 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Another thing, the aircraft will be made in Canada so offsetting the F35 supplier losses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,243 ✭✭✭yagan


    I would have thought in international affairs that any threat or intimation to annex a neighbour would nullify any legal obligations betwixt the involved parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,855 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Ukrainians getting the maps out to see which tasty target are up for grabs.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 898 ✭✭✭Avatar in the Post


    Russia getting this innovation and initiative is the real prize for Putin. Would be a serious mistake for the West to let Ukraine fall to ‘the dark side’. I think most Euro leaders know that too. Trump couldn’t give 2 F’s.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭jmreire


    I'll tell you my position Francie….Russia wants to destroy Europe ( actually they want to destroy the world so that they can control it, sounds extreme, but its what they would like) They have been working hard at destroying Europe from within, and the US too. Getting Trump elected was a high mark in this plan. They played a big part in Brexit, and they specialise in sowing dissent, even here in Ireland, they will be supportive of any groups that are involved in protests. These will be the rabble rousers you see with the protesters. Dissention, disruption of society, they have been doing it world wide. It softens up and splits society. This is what they want….As for attacking Europe, yes, I think that they have plans to do that, as soon as they are capable of it, and the circumstances are right. Mad as it seem's…but when you have a madman in charge, do not rule out anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,186 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Francie, I just came across this article and am passing it on to you….Russki Mir in action.

    Quote:

    A couple of days ago I saw a documentary on German television about private military companies in Mali. Murders, theft, rape.This beast has spread throughout the world.They bring grief and chaos everywhere.

    UnQuote,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    It's certainly worth doing some research on both Alexander Dugin, known as "Putins brain" a Russian extremist nationalist & imperialist & Russia's Neo-Eurasianism movement.

    That's if anyone still seriously thinks that Russia isn't a treat to Europe's future.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,143 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Canada has a lot of airspace to cover. Australia really only needs to worry about a quarter of its coastline.

    It's worth noting that there is at this time nothing else in the world which can fly off the current baby carriers like the British or Japanese have. If they want fixed wing, they need F35. Gripen, Rafale, they aren't options. F35 is staying as front line kit for those countries.

    If Canada, like Australia, were ever to fight alongside another country and it wasn't going to be the US, what would be the chances it would be any country other than the UK or Japan for either of them? If absolutely necessary, I would not be surprised if countries with those internal capabilities and tech bases could not come up with some form of functional workaround.

    Plus there is the minor issue that Trump is going to be gone in three and a half years and even Trump hasn't threatened to stop support of US-sold weapons to NATO nations. It's a damned good aircraft which will remain in service for decades. Much as Trump is saber rattling to express his displeasure, I think that's what a lot of this talk such as from Portugal is.

    https://www.19fortyfive.com/2025/03/the-f-35-fighter-nightmare-has-just-begun-for-donald-trump/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,163 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Hmmm… 1,800 km to the Kola peninsula. Maybe they should buy a cheap clapped out vessel, load some of these on it and sail it up past Norway - surprise!



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