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Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,928 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    another big factor in this decision is the Lions.


    Crowley hasn’t been given any opportunity in the 6N to put himself forward for lions selection, if he has a man of the match 80 mins next weekend all we will hear is that it was Italy and it doesn’t count.


    The selection decisions of the Irish management have taken away the opportunity of Crowley to become a Lion. Something he looked very close to 6 months ago and through no fault of his own it’s gone.

    The guy must be fuckimg livid.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You are aware who is selecting the Lions right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭jprender


    prendergast will go on the lions.

    Jack won’t.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,928 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    you have said this on two occasions for some reason and both times it is unclear what your point is?

    i think everyone is aware that Andy Farrell, along with input from the rest of his coaching team, will be selecting the lions squad

    if your point is that AF could still select Crowley despite him barely playing in this 6Ns, then i doubt that will happen since that would reek of favouritism and AF is smarter than that.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    My point is that Andy Farrell and Simon Easterby selecting Prendergast over Crowley for Ireland did not impact Crowley's chances of Andy Farrell selecting him for the Lions. He doesn't need to see him play for Ireland in this 6N to select or not select him and whatever caused him to select SP over him in the Autumn is presumably still relevant. I never thought either would tour, but the below is clearly ridiculous

    The selection decisions of the Irish management have taken away the opportunity of Crowley to become a Lion.

    because it is the Irish management who are picking the Lions in the first place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i get what youre saying, although i dont think it was very clear in your original posts all the same

    i sort of agree and disagree too. it is likely on one hand that AF wouldnt be changing his mind if he didnt want to select Crowley but on the other hand, the lack of gametime afforded Crowley has more or less taken away any opportunity he may have had to change AF's mind



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,928 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Do you honestly think someone is going to get selected for the Lions after not even playing 100mins in the 6 nations while being fully fit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i think they were saying AF was never going to pick Crowley either way



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,615 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I don't think Farrell was going to select him either way, given he benched him in the Autumn. I don't think either of our 10s were ever going to make it on the Lions.

    Which is fine, cause I don't think either of them deserve to over the other options. It is not a particularly good reason to just give up on international ambitions. But if he wants to take a supposed big pay day I certainly wouldn't begrudge him.

    It is still absurd to say the Irish management have "taken away" the Lions though. It inherently makes no sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    Prendergast is going, between him and Fin Smith to start



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,928 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    If my aunt had balls.

    The lack of opportunity to prove his worth in this seasons 6N is what will stop Crowley going on the lions. If the lions tour had been in 2024 he would have travelled after guiding Ireland to win that 6 nations.

    The galling thing about his non selection is that the person who got his place wasn't even better than him, and that decision means JC misses out on a massive opportunity which is being selected for the Lions.

    I would understand completely if he decided to leave Ireland after how he was treated. Its nothing short of terrible management and utterly shameful way to treat a player.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,659 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i wasn't debating the merits of it, was just pointing out what they were actually saying as it wasnt clear originally imo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭phog


    while a bit hyperbolic all the same, it could be argued that the OH situation since the AIs has been mismanaged also (dont really want to start this debate again ideally), just by the management/coaching team rather that the overall IRFU

    It absolutely was mismanaged, there can be arguments around why he didn't feature but the coaches picked the 23, they manufactured the issues where Crowley couldn't be used at outhalf.

    It's shocking that he's got 20 mins of rugby at outhalf since the start of the 6Ns.

    If we do lose Jack it's on the IRFU but they don't care.

    Post edited by phog on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,774 ✭✭✭Pepp1989


    I don't think anyone could legitimately argue that Crowley hasn't been badly treated. He came on v England and was brilliant in the 20 minutes he got. And hasn't got a run at ten since despite prendergast not exactly lighting it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,220 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Just a couple of points:

    1. Leicester being interested in signing Crowley is not the same as Crowley being interested in Leicester. This is 99.9% probability of being a nothing story. I can’t remember any player being first choice at a province and being heavily involved in the national team choosing to leave (except for guys at the end of their career).
    2. The assertion that Crowley will throw his toys out of the the pram and storm off after losing his Ireland jersey is about the worst thing anyone could say about him, I seriously doubt he’s as childish, petty and impetuous or has as little faith in himself as people here think.
    3. If he chooses to leave, that does not mean IRFU don’t care, no matter how many times the anti-Ireland brigade say it. IRFU would be very sorry to see him go but ultimately it’s his choice.
    4. We’re back on the idea that Ireland should be picking players for reasons other than what the coaches see as best for the national team. That’s as mental now as it was every other time it’s come up.
    Post edited by Former Former Former on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    Fin Smith is not starting for the Lions, no matter how much certain fans and media outlets try to push him.


    Russell or Prendergast will be the FH’s in the 23.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Prendergast isn't going to Oz.

    It'll be Russell, the 2 smiths and possible Owen Farrell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,374 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    Jack is out of contract in the summer according to reports, no talk of a cc contract from IRFU and Sam number one for Ireland Jersey and if he goes on the lions tour it will show that Jacks international career is a fill in for Farrell, anyone thinking that Easterby is not carrying out Farrell wishes and game plan is foolish and his hand is all over the way the team is being selected, Jack is a player that will look at what’s best for him and his career, playing the game and trying to get the best out of it for himself and family and financially as well. Like what Zebo done, the biggest loser in this is Munster to loose Jack from our group of players would be a huge blow. He is the guy to build a team around for the future and be very disappointing to loose him as a Munster fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Crowley has been involved in every game IIRC since the RWC. His international career isnt over. The amount of childish drama queens on here and elsewhere is unreal.

    If Crowley goes, it will be to chase the money, and good luck to him. I don't think he will go. I think he is made of far sterner stuff then some of the snowflakes give him credit for.

    IRELANDS team has a lot of 30 somethings. We have issues in particular at THP, 9 (exacerbated by Casey injury) and centre. We also have issues on the wings for other reasons So building some experience at a few other positions while those guys are still there will stand to this team down the line.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭phog


    thought this thread would be on fire

    Tis on fire now because there's something for the negative nellies to play with.

    Crowley may or may not go but there's fun to be had while we wait and see



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 26,512 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Anti Ireland brigade!

    Good to see you tamed it down from Hate Ireland/Hate Farrell or have we to wait for another outburst for that to reappear



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭perverseostrich


    As a marquee signing he probably is talented, young and highly marketable, i doubt munster or the irfu match it but this deal really should have been done in november/december

    This would be the biggest mistake the irfu have made in a long time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Jj first choice for Munster …..he couldn’t hold the position down or play consistently good rugby on 2 occasions previously …am older slower more injury prone version now ….

    On Crowley going ….no chance he should and I think he will be offered a central contract …financially it won’t match Leicester one but jack few years back turned down chance (wrongly imo)to go to La Rochelle because he wanted to be first choice for Munster and wear the green jersey ….i don’t think much has changed since .he is Munster’s 10’and I think he will establish himself as irelands first choice again



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Whatever decision crowley makes ,it's the right one. His life, his choices.

    Saying he was wrong to turn down LAR is bollox.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,981 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    nope don’t think so ….at the time he wasn’t first or second choice for Munster …2 years at Ka Rochelle in that team that was winning trophies and competing at a high level would of been some experience for him and his development ….saying it’s bollox …..is well just that ….just an opinion



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,878 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes but to be fair it wouldn't be the first time this season a bad call was made by the IRFU, and Munster for that matter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    You would be right…if it was the British media picking the team.


    meanwhile, back in the real world, Finn Russell & Sam Prendergast are certain and then 1 of the Smiths will travel as a dirt tracker.

    Owen Farrell has no chance.


    I hope I that cleared things up for you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭timothydec77


    I rightly or wrongly believe that Jack Crowley was always going to be dropped to bench.

    This isn't about building dept. The management just don't see Crowley as the long term 10.

    If he stays he will be dropped from squad if Casper Gabriel comes out to be as good as they say.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 13,226 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Mod: There's a Lions thread to discuss Lions selection. Prendergast, the Smiths and Farrell are not Munster players.



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