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Ireland Team Talk XII: Farrell's First Fifteen

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭vetinari


    He was dropped for a guy who'd played about 15 professional matches??

    Prendergast has yet to show himself to be better than Crowley.

    That also scuppered any chance he had of going on the Lions.

    If Crowley had started this six nations, he'd definitely be on the plane.

    How exactly would you expect him not to be pissed off?

    Horrendous man management from Farrell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Farrell/easterby #1 priority is ireland in the short medium and long term and not the Lions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    be a good time for him to go. Sign a 2 year contract, make himself available in time for the WC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    You do realise that in any situation where you try or try to develop new players that they displace (temporarily or permanently) players with more caps than them - that's kind of how it works. Yet you expect that if they don't show that they're better within 2 or 3 games, they should be sent back to where they came from and never heard from again.

    Do you think Murray should have left Ireland as soon as Casey started being named on the bench? Should Stockdale leave the country because Nash got the call-up ahead of him last weekend? How about Frawley when he kicked us to a win against South Africa and then hasn't really been seen since? Of course not, its a squad game and nobody is entitled to the jersey. You stick with it and come back better.

    Munster fans need to stop being so precious about Crowley, its embarrassing. He's still young, he'll get his games and he'll probably smash it and as a Leinster fan, I can't wait to see it.

    Should he have been dropped to the bench for all the 6N games so far? Probably not. Personally I'd like to have seen them rotated a bit more with the starts split but its the coaches decision and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Had Ireland beaten France and Italy, Prendergast would have been the starting 10 of a Grand Slam team.

    I hope Crowley is pissed off and I hope it drives him to become better than he already is. But if he jumps ship as soon as he's pissed off, then have at it. He hasn't earned the right to demand the jersey, nobody has.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    You do realise Farrell is the one picking the Lions squad right?

    I'm not getting into the 10 debate, but if he is pissed off enough after one 6N to just up and leave that's not on the Irish coaching team. I don't really think he'll leave though.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,483 ✭✭✭standardg60


    If he doesn't start at 10 this weekend after Sam's sh1tshow I wouldn't blame him for feeling disheartened.

    I noticed last night on ATH for France's first try that Nash was put in the 10 channel to defend any break off from the maul with Sam 'hidden' on the wing where he was way too deep. Immediately spotted by Dupont who went that side. If we're setting up defence solely to cover a known frailty, it will be quickly exposed at international level.

    Worse, having to do it in the first place means that player is not ready to be in the team yet, and the rest of the players know it.

    Knowledge is learning something, wisdom is learning from it, intelligence thought of it first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I agree. I wouldn't blame him either, I'd understand being disheartened to some extent. But leaving the country based on it… if anyone thinks that's a rational decision (not saying that you are saying it), they need their heads checked.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    but SP hasnt really earned it either? he barely played for leinster before he played for ireland and he hasnt exactly shot the lights out since then either (he also hasnt been anywhere near as bad as some are making out either). JC on the other hand, has won a 6N where Ireland were a last-minute drop goal away from a grand slam, won a test in South Africa and at club level has won a URC. he also has generally played really well (arguably much better than SP) when coming on at 10 and yet has been relegated to limited gametime at 12/15 since

    so if youre saying JC hasnt 'earned' the right to demand the jersey, i dont really think you can say SP has really 'earned' anything yet either



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    it would be on them though, i think farrell has done brilliantly overall during his tenure but its also not crazy to say that he and now easterby have not handled the current OH situation well at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I literally said that nobody has the right to demand the jersey.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭almostover


    Not only does he make a cat effort at securing the ruck, he also dithers for ages waiting for JGP to collect the ball. He should have gathered it himself, carried it and presented it for his scrum half like any 2nd row should.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    Even if the most cruel version of Crowley's treatment is true, that he was casually cast side for a fortunate son born with a Leinster crest already tattooed over his heart who is not half the player, its still the case that the coaches all decided that the younger guy who has less pro game time is a better bet and they are backing their decision with match time. Move on. The coaches have integrity and are a mixed bag of Munster, Leinster and others and they're all on the same page. Personally I hope Crowley gets more time at ten as I want strong competition between the two of them going forward but the coaches have far more insight and far more invested than I do so Im assuming they know what they are doing. The proof of the pudding with be the next 2 years and whether we make it past a semi in the WC and win more championships.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    as things stand many don’t see the strategy as being a success as both Crowley & Prendergast have taken a significant hit in confidence and it’s hard to see how either come out ahead of their respective entry points. Crowley in particular has taken a knock, but the cruelty which Sam has had to endure in social media derived from a poor performance in 2 or 3 of the games is down to the selectors as their was a clear alternative and obvious option to share the experience . This is not a provincial view it’s our national team and to many both 10’s have been damaged by the 6N campaign. If both were given time to share the experience it’s hard to argue with the benefit of hindsight how that wasn’t a better strategy except if you see it through provincial eyes or decide to ignore the damage done. But for Ireland it’s a lose lose as many gauge it which is fair enough. Nobody has a right to decide what people should feel, this just reflects the reality of what many do



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭jprender


    actually that’s a fine point.

    I’d agree that both 10’s are in a worse position now than they were coming into this tournament.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's not "on them" if a guy decides to leave after a season where we started 2/7 Irish matches though. I mean, Will Connors briefly got ahead of VdF in 2021 and then the guy came back to be world player of the year.

    I don't think they have handled it particularly well either for what its worth. But coaches, like players, make mistakes and "throwing in the towel" after one season, mostly under an interim coach, is on the player ultimately. Plenty of players have gone through periods of not being first choice.

    (throwing in the towel potentially not appropriate terminology for taking 600k£ a year. It's a stupid offer if true and would probably turn the heads of internationals even. I certainly wouldn't judge JC for taking it, I just wouldn't blame anyone else for it)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭jprender


    what do we reckon the IRFU will offer jack money wise ?

    Would love to know how it would stack up to 600k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Going 6-2 really put Crowley, and the team overall, in a **** spot. He never got a chance to come at 10 to try and have an impact. I would've liked to have seen him given a chance to take the game by scruff and show he what he could do.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,765 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Agreed, I'm not a fan of 6-2 benches in general. Would have liked to see Crowley come on at 50/60 to change things up. I would think they might learn from that though.

    300k€ maybe? Not sure anyone in Irish rugby would be on 700k€ that is (supposedly, still don't believe it) on offer.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,832 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    There's simply no way jack Crowley is being offered the same contract as handre pollard was on.

    This is all delightful fantasy



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Crowley is a significantly better outhalf than Pollard



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Strand1970


    Sam's defence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    If Crowley does leave it is exactly what the IRFU deserve and indeed the Irish Mgmt. Disgracefully handled through the 6N. However I have a feeling if Andy Farrell was in charge he would have handled the situation much better. At least we are rid of Easterby after Italy game, I think the guy has lost a huge amount of respect over-the-counter last 6 weeks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    What a whinge fest! Crowley has a few more caps under his belt, came on and played very well and is still very much part of the picture for Ireland. As for Prendergast, if he is paying attention to social media he needs his head examined. Like any pro athlete not allowing social media bs intrude is part of your responsibility and there are plenty of lads around the camp to let him know that along with sports psychologists and general team policies. He is playing for his country ffs, that comes with a lot of pressure and he is seemingly well up for it. If Crowley bails over this then good riddance. But everything I hear in media about his attitude tells me he is a balls to the wall competitor and understands what he signed up for. I hope he shoots the lights out for Munster and Im looking forward to interpros.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭50HX


    There is no point in discussing any selection that management make so as we are not privy to knowing the players as well as they do.

    Just let them at it then & don't question any decision that's made

    Sure why do we need an alt at 7 when we can move our 8 there.

    Why did it take until the Wales game to get Jack Boyle into the 23

    Any theories on why our lineout was do bad in the AI's...and handling as well

    It's ok the coaches know best & yes before you say it they do know more than all of us but are not immune from questioning.

    Besides this place is ment to be a discussion forum



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,224 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Munster fans need to stop being so precious about Crowley, its embarrassing

    Who is embarrassed by it, are you? Are you also embarrassed how the Leinster fans are reacting to any bit of criticism of Sam, they're reaction to posts on match threads must leave you scarlet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,805 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Yeah, its a bit embarrassing when people can't understand reasonable criticism of players, no matter who they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,538 ✭✭✭ersatz


    If there is another point to be made on this after 6 weeks of crying on here Im open to it. But this is more repetitive than chatgpt at this point, literally everything has been said over and over again, particularly the bullying and unfrairness and lunatic versions of coaching decisions made for reasons other than optimising team performance, right or wrong. Impunging coaches motives is pathetic and this is where the discussion has ended up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,224 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I'm absolutely delighted they were optimising team performance, if they weren't I could well be heading to Rome to a dead rubber.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Dude, Pollard is bang average. He's been a complete wash for Leicster. Crowley is much more capable OH than him.



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