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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭thatsdaft


    Feel sorry for friends of Russia who spent so much time spinning a narrative that Ukraine is not interested in peace



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,210 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    the sceptic in me says this is just a Trump/Putin plan/ploy to lift sanctions…

    No way are Russia accepting this plan without something in return… and Trump will probably agree that they should get something in return so will lift sanctions on their energy industry which will give them an influx of much needed cash.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    If Putin rejects this, the absolute embarrassment for Trump and America will be deafening.

    He’ll have burned all this ally bridges for nothing.

    He will have cost the Ukrainians time and space for proper negotiations.

    If Putin says yes, I can see the e ceasefire being broken almost immediately with Russia blaming Ukraine with attacks. Just like Israel did over and over and with Hamas



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,060 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Why do you say that? I got the impression Ukrainian forces were not caught unaware and wiped out all 80 odd Orcs that exited the pipe with the remaining 20 suffocating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Still, the result is much better than I expected. Now the ball is in Putin's court, and no matter how Trump wants to help him, Putin needs to show his commitment to the ceasefire or risk embarrassing Trump.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Yeah definitely seems a lot better than we were led to believe.


    Is the pause on aid and intel actually lifted now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,525 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Asking Putin to stop attacking Ukraine ?!

    Can’t believe nobody thought of this before !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Could it be that once Putin agrees to a ceasefire Trump will pull the plug on aid and intel again saying Ukraine doesn’t need it anymore?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭pummice


    OR…Trump will hit Putin with more sanctions when Russia breaks the ceasefire as they inevitably will



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,867 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Might start to transfer over to the 'security guarantee'…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    We are all like John Snow. We know nothing about what is going to happen! I doubt Trump knows either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I do wonder if Russia will agree but that the 1 part they won't agree on is with Kursk and state no more attacks for 30 days in Ukraine but not in Russia so they can concentrate on dealing with Ukrainian forces in kursk over those 30 days and not have to worry about fighting in Ukraine. Now would wonder if that was the case that Ukraine are informed that they cannot launch anything from inside of Ukraine to jeopardise the ceasefire but can from inside of kursk.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,784 ✭✭✭✭josip


    That will be sold as fake Ukrainian news. Trump will probably row back on this deal on Thursday like the tariffs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,378 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I'm sick that Trump has caused Ukraine to lose Kursk which would have taken so much resources from Russia to retake but I'm glad to see Ukraine are leaving without massive losses.

    Good that supplies have already resumed back into Ukraine. Hopefully Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire and hopefully the Ukrainians can keep the push back going. Best case scenario Trump feels insulted and he ups the support. I'm not holding my breath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Kyiv under aerial attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Russia are hardly going to agree to something that will simply buy Ukraine time to gather and rearm and allow the west to continue pouring equipment into the place. They already said as much.

    Which is not going to be helped by stupid comments from vdL how Europe must turn Ukraine into an 'iron hedgehog'.

    She and the rest of our glorious leaders backed themselves into a corner with their non-stop war rhetoric and now all they seem able to do is double down. Since that Russia-is-going-to-invade-us-tomorrow line is clearly nonsense I must assume they really want to go all the way. What else would you need 800 billions of war machinery for and pump us full with war propaganda 24/7?

    And dont give me that nonsense of Russia taking us all on and we're just defending ourselves. It's either the next big neoliberal daylight robbery scam or else they are actually preparing for an attack.
    Even if it's 'just' the former it really shows how these people should be nowhere near any position of power. Prison is where they belong.
    I have no doubt they would be happy enough to lead us all into a war. The signs for preparation were there for years and this is just the logical follow through really.

    In fact what I think of Ursula I cant say here 'cos it would probably get me a ban. She is pure evil that woman. All I will say is just look at her and listen to her and tell me we're the good guys. I bet you can't.

    Mod Edit: Warned for trolling

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Europe is under attack from putin. They have a right to defend themselves from aggression from putin's terrorist state regardless of what putin would like to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Trump will lose interest in this like he has in Gaza. He just moves on to the next topical story.


    Let’s hope Ukraine can keep it relevant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,355 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    Ita so dumb. The Americans had such a winning hand. Send some surplus military equipment that's aging out. Get more buyers of us military equipment. Create more dependence on America. Grind down regional adversary Russia, commit not a single American and all for the cost of ten of billions a year(which is nothing for the US economy). Like it was the easiest win politically. Absolutely perfect. This buffoon doesn't know a winning hand when he sees it. He's gonna fold and he's holding a royal flush.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,801 ✭✭✭threeball


    I'd agree that that's what they were trying to do but it's been obvious for decades that the US are not a reliable allies.

    They get along great with you as long as you have the same views as them and tow the American line but once you veer away they come down on you like a ton of bricks. It can been seen whenever a country criticises Israel, the US would be reprimanding them. Same thing if you had differing views on the middle east.

    It was always dangerous betting the house on a country that's only on your side when you're 100% on theirs. This was going on long before Trump. It's just on steroids at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    It's honestly so humorous seeing Kremlin apologists like yourself twist yourself in pretzels when Ukraine calls Putins bluff.

    Russia are hardly going to agree to something that will simply buy Ukraine time to gather and rearm and allow the west to continue pouring equipment into the place. They already said as much.

    If Russia weren't planning on either rejecting the ceasefire outright or breaking the ceasefire later and attacking again in the near future then why is Ukraine having any amount of weapons to defend itself an issue?

    Unless you think Russia might potentially not be an honest arbiter of peace? Surely not?

    The rest of your post is the same tired old anti western drivel. Fit for a rant at the pub and nothing more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭REDBULL68


    This agreement would be well negotiated before it's on the news ,expect back and forth for a while, Ukraine will give the occupied territory, but probably with a caveat, that future elections will decide their fate ,obviously it won't, but it looks good on the t.v.either way hopefully it stops the war and all men and women can return to their families.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,900 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    They haven't lost it. What's happened is that the US has decided to stop providing updates for the ECM/ECCM package. I suspect other countries could do it, if they had a mind to, it's not the latest and greatest material.

    I don't think I'm in "the crazy land" for pointing out factual errors in the discussion. That's got nothing to do with the international relations disaster Trump and many Republicans are embarked upon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,203 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    hopefully it stops the war and all men and women can return to their families.

    That's the last thing Putin wants. If all his men (precious few women involved) return to their families, they'll never sign up for a Special Military Operation again, and he won't be able to defend his new stable border with North Koreans and a few die-hard patriots.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,332 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes, I didn't think it was a good idea/policy, just it was rational to an extent and it was hard to predict it would turn out quite as badly as it has. It's still a shock, what is going on.

    Even the pro Trump PiS (ones who made that decision about buying the vast amounts of US weapons and appeared to be going out of their way to buy as much as possible of Poland's future military hardware from non European sources) must be regretting it a bit (even if they will never dare say anything against "King" Trump or the Republicans in public).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    We should learn that lesson and source our military equipment from Europe. Especially the Saab Gripen.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    The gist I'm getting is it's like if Microsoft or Apple decided to not provide updates for PC's in a particular country. The PC's still work as before, they're just not getting the updates.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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