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The Trump administration are just constantly spit-balling "deals" with the hope that something eventually sticks. They did it with Gaza, trade, and now Ukraine. It's hard to take anything that comes out of Washington seriously these days.
I always respect your posting here and perspective from other side of pond
But you don’t see it but you are being slow boiled, I see the same with my American colleagues and family, they are being manipulated into ever more extreme positions on various topics often doing compete 180 degree U-turns
Your arguments against Trump went from “our checks and balances will stop him” to “oh well the people have spoken” to now when asked if you will fight against Canada to “checks and balances up the chain of command will prevent that” which is funny as I thought Trump is at the top of the chain of your command
Will you have to resort to “I was just following orders” argument when ordered to roll into Toronto let’s say ?
This btw is exactly exactly what happened to Russians in 25 years of dear leader rule, they been slow boiled into invading what used to be their closest neighbours and often family and friends because an old man with too much power wanted to cosplay war
Do you realise what engines are in the Saab Gripen.
https://meta-defense.fr/en/2025/03/04/failure-gripen-colombia-export-f414-trump/
We have Trump threathening Poland today
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2025-03-11/poland-defiant-over-big-tech-tax-plan-in-latest-spat-with-us
Sooner or later it dawn on the Polish that if Ukraine can go from ally to enemy in a few weeks over the invented in his own head slights of an old man, so can Poland and they are literally next in line on Russian shopping list, especially if someone worse than Trump like Vance endsup in whitehouse sooner or later
All that equipment turned useless like happened to Ukraine and billions wasted instead of being used on things like mines and drones that have proven so effective against Russian barbarians and neo Nazis
You are leaving out three MINOR considerations which must be considered and which may SLIGHTLY ALTER your opinion, namely :-
(1) Putin is on record as saying that by far the most Catastrophic mistake and of major proportions was the break up of the USSR and that needs to be addressed - or words to that effect. War is the only way that RU would see to get have this addressed
(2) Going back as far as 1939 when USSR/Russia attacked Poland , RU has initiated attacks on countries at least 14 (FOURTEEN) times - I wonder for what. This does not include its actions re election interference, cable cutting, supporting proxy wars, etc.
(3) Calamari, will you please name here all the countries / times that RU / USSR have been attacked apart from Hitler
trump wont be playing silly buggers for too long. If Putin is insisting on completely unreasonable terms he’ll bring the shutters down fairly quick. Course then he’ll have to come up with plan b.
Trump goes to Putin with the Saudi agreement. Putin accepts it subject to getting agreement on a number of its own conditions. This then goes back to Saudi for consideration by the US/Ukr negotiators and is it back and forth then or what. Hard to saw because American can DO ANYTHING eg cherry pick from all the conditions put forward and BRING DOWN THE GUILOTINE
The gist I'm getting is it's like if Microsoft or Apple decided to not provide updates for PC's in a particular country. The PC's still work as before, they're just not getting the updates.
Well you would say that in fairness. 😁
We should learn that lesson and source our military equipment from Europe. Especially the Saab Gripen.
Yes, I didn't think it was a good idea/policy, just it was rational to an extent and it was hard to predict it would turn out quite as badly as it has. It's still a shock, what is going on.
Even the pro Trump PiS (ones who made that decision about buying the vast amounts of US weapons and appeared to be going out of their way to buy as much as possible of Poland's future military hardware from non European sources) must be regretting it a bit (even if they will never dare say anything against "King" Trump or the Republicans in public).
hopefully it stops the war and all men and women can return to their families.
That's the last thing Putin wants. If all his men (precious few women involved) return to their families, they'll never sign up for a Special Military Operation again, and he won't be able to defend his new stable border with North Koreans and a few die-hard patriots.
They haven't lost it. What's happened is that the US has decided to stop providing updates for the ECM/ECCM package. I suspect other countries could do it, if they had a mind to, it's not the latest and greatest material.
I don't think I'm in "the crazy land" for pointing out factual errors in the discussion. That's got nothing to do with the international relations disaster Trump and many Republicans are embarked upon.
This agreement would be well negotiated before it's on the news ,expect back and forth for a while, Ukraine will give the occupied territory, but probably with a caveat, that future elections will decide their fate ,obviously it won't, but it looks good on the t.v.either way hopefully it stops the war and all men and women can return to their families.
It's honestly so humorous seeing Kremlin apologists like yourself twist yourself in pretzels when Ukraine calls Putins bluff.
Russia are hardly going to agree to something that will simply buy Ukraine time to gather and rearm and allow the west to continue pouring equipment into the place. They already said as much.
If Russia weren't planning on either rejecting the ceasefire outright or breaking the ceasefire later and attacking again in the near future then why is Ukraine having any amount of weapons to defend itself an issue?
Unless you think Russia might potentially not be an honest arbiter of peace? Surely not?
The rest of your post is the same tired old anti western drivel. Fit for a rant at the pub and nothing more.
I'd agree that that's what they were trying to do but it's been obvious for decades that the US are not a reliable allies.
They get along great with you as long as you have the same views as them and tow the American line but once you veer away they come down on you like a ton of bricks. It can been seen whenever a country criticises Israel, the US would be reprimanding them. Same thing if you had differing views on the middle east.
It was always dangerous betting the house on a country that's only on your side when you're 100% on theirs. This was going on long before Trump. It's just on steroids at the moment.
Ita so dumb. The Americans had such a winning hand. Send some surplus military equipment that's aging out. Get more buyers of us military equipment. Create more dependence on America. Grind down regional adversary Russia, commit not a single American and all for the cost of ten of billions a year(which is nothing for the US economy). Like it was the easiest win politically. Absolutely perfect. This buffoon doesn't know a winning hand when he sees it. He's gonna fold and he's holding a royal flush.
Trump will lose interest in this like he has in Gaza. He just moves on to the next topical story.
Let’s hope Ukraine can keep it relevant.
Europe is under attack from putin. They have a right to defend themselves from aggression from putin's terrorist state regardless of what putin would like to do.
Which is not going to be helped by stupid comments from vdL how Europe must turn Ukraine into an 'iron hedgehog'.
She and the rest of our glorious leaders backed themselves into a corner with their non-stop war rhetoric and now all they seem able to do is double down. Since that Russia-is-going-to-invade-us-tomorrow line is clearly nonsense I must assume they really want to go all the way. What else would you need 800 billions of war machinery for and pump us full with war propaganda 24/7?
And dont give me that nonsense of Russia taking us all on and we're just defending ourselves. It's either the next big neoliberal daylight robbery scam or else they are actually preparing for an attack. Even if it's 'just' the former it really shows how these people should be nowhere near any position of power. Prison is where they belong. I have no doubt they would be happy enough to lead us all into a war. The signs for preparation were there for years and this is just the logical follow through really.
In fact what I think of Ursula I cant say here 'cos it would probably get me a ban. She is pure evil that woman. All I will say is just look at her and listen to her and tell me we're the good guys. I bet you can't.
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Kyiv under aerial attack.
I'm sick that Trump has caused Ukraine to lose Kursk which would have taken so much resources from Russia to retake but I'm glad to see Ukraine are leaving without massive losses.
Good that supplies have already resumed back into Ukraine. Hopefully Putin doesn't agree to a ceasefire and hopefully the Ukrainians can keep the push back going. Best case scenario Trump feels insulted and he ups the support. I'm not holding my breath.
That will be sold as fake Ukrainian news. Trump will probably row back on this deal on Thursday like the tariffs.
Very good timelapse of the war.
I do wonder if Russia will agree but that the 1 part they won't agree on is with Kursk and state no more attacks for 30 days in Ukraine but not in Russia so they can concentrate on dealing with Ukrainian forces in kursk over those 30 days and not have to worry about fighting in Ukraine. Now would wonder if that was the case that Ukraine are informed that they cannot launch anything from inside of Ukraine to jeopardise the ceasefire but can from inside of kursk.
We are all like John Snow. We know nothing about what is going to happen! I doubt Trump knows either.
Might start to transfer over to the 'security guarantee'…
OR…Trump will hit Putin with more sanctions when Russia breaks the ceasefire as they inevitably will
Could it be that once Putin agrees to a ceasefire Trump will pull the plug on aid and intel again saying Ukraine doesn’t need it anymore?
Asking Putin to stop attacking Ukraine ?!
Can’t believe nobody thought of this before !
