Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

Here to improve our living standards dont you know.

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Agre… they will need huge support to live and stay here. Regardless if they are working or not. They will compete for social housing and what ever housing is on offer. And we all know thats a complete and utter **** show. We cant buy our way of this one.

Given there is almost 1300 working in construction they are doing far more than me to help alleviate pressures in the industry.

A pre-budget letter from the Department of Justice stated that the perception of lengthy processing times could lead to an increase in asylum claims as applicants became aware the system was bogged down. I thought Helen McEntee said nobody was gaming the system?

And the bad weather, bad food, crazy cost of living for rubbish, the worst public transport system in the world, the worst health system in the world, etc.

Might be a higher burden of income tax though to pay for the immigrants. Remember that high rates of population growth due to immigration will push rents up, requiring more people to avail of supports like social housing and HAP at a cost to the taxpayer. Immigration will also have a downward pressure on wages, meaning that taxpayers will have to pay a greater proportion of their wages in tax to pay for social housing and HAP for the immigrants. Lower wages will also mean that existing taxpayers may be forced themselves to apply for supports.

Was all this alarmist nonsense not dispelled with Brexit and what we are witnessing the the aftermath?

If you are going to make companies pay substantially more for workers, 2 main things will happen, rising inflation or they simply won't be able to afford to recruit which will then have various knock on effect.

Does it make us for or against Ukraine if we have 1300 obviously able bodied lads here working construction rather than at home fighting Vlad? Hmmmm…..

We are for the Geneva convention.

That clearly isn't true. I don't know how you would even begin to try and justify that statement.

At least 2,406 children have been killed or injured since the escalation of the war in Ukraine nearly 1,000 days ago, according to the latest available verified reports. In addition to child casualties, which include 659 children killed and 1,747 children injured - amounting to at least 16 children killed or injured every week - millions of children continue to have their lives upended due to ongoing attacks.

Just last week, a mother and her three children—the youngest just two months old—were killed in a strike that impacted a residential building in the central Ukrainian city of Kryvyi Rih. Children in the Donbas region across the east of the country have now faced more than 10 years of conflict.

Children are enduring relentless hostilities, prolonged displacement and severe shortages of essential resources including safe water, electricity, and other necessities. Escalating attacks on Ukrainian territory have sharply increased civilian casualties and infrastructure damage since July this year.

“The toll on children is staggering and unacceptable,” said UNICEF Executive Director Catherine Russell. “Children have been killed in their beds, in hospitals and playgrounds, leaving families devastated by the loss of young lives or life-altering injuries.”

Businesses are already facing a deficit of over 3 million workers. In 2024, 500,000 Ukrainians left the country, with another 200,000 expected to depart this year, according to Unian.net. 

Ukraine are facing their own demographic challenges. They badly need workers. If we want to help Ukraine as much after the war as we did at the beginning and during the war, we won’t allow the people to whom we gave temporary protection to stay on (especially those who haven’t contributed in any way). Instead we should encourage them to return to their country and help rebuild it.

He added that some migrants may not settle in Ukraine long-term, saying: “Some of them will simply not be able to adapt and will leave the country.  

“Some people will probably consider working at this enterprise as a kind of bridge to Europe, where salaries are much higher.

So Ukraine will look to import labour from poorer countries such as Bangladesh, Nepal, India, North Africa and Central Asia, but they’re unlikely to even stay in Ukraine, instead use it as a bridge to counties paying higher salaries, ie Western Europe, and Ireland.

Not only will be doing Ukraine a favour by encouraging their people to go home, we’d be looking after our own interests too.

All the more reason to never let them into the EU, manycare already in the EU esp the younger cohort, and if they ever end the ban on males under 60 leaving, the EU will be flooded with millions more - sadly, the countryxwill be a repopulated wasteland, like some of the other eastern European countries