General Irish politics discussion thread

Seems to me to be a scoping excercise by the Gardai. Soon as I heard MM the thought struck me that he might know there is nothing to this.

Or..he's just being fair

Anyway its not a good look for SF

Just telling you how it is. I won't be 'needing' Micheál.

Again, I am under no delusions about MM's 'fairness'. He doesn't have a track record on being fair. So I'd rule that out emphatically as a motive.

You are entitled to your view. I also have one.

Neither of us are necessarily right.
P.S. You also have no idea, like everyone else, what was known about 'overspend'. There was fraud, and in most cases of fraud, deceit is at the centre of it.
And SF as a party are not implicated in this fraud, but somehow should be embarrassed about it.
And of course, whether SF are embarrassed or not, that doesn't vindicate other overspend, ignoring of offences/indiscretions/inappropriate conduct committed etc.
You seem to think it does.

Ridiculous Musk-aping by a pathetic party; and would be a ridiculous waste of the Taoiseach's time if such a thing existed.

Expect that to go down in flames with only Aontu and maybe II and some Independents supporting it.

Even if it passed, motions are not binding.

There you go again trying to slither out of the embarrassment With a new deflection ‘something something Pureza must agree with overspending’

Ridiculous but on form

Zero interest in your parties discomfort or your deflections here at this stage anyway ,it’s a waste of bytes and doubtless other parties may have their own controversies in future

Clever enough of the Taoiseach in that respect to leave all this to the legal system

I’ll emulate unless and until something new turns up,others probably won’t

Things are done - that's what the C&AG and PAC are for.

This Aondoge proposal would precisely just be another entity with no accountability or responsibility, at best "looking into" things.

If things weren't being done, you would never hear of any waste - not because it wasn't there but because nobody found it.

SF, PBP and these days, the SDs supporting populist bollox isn't surprising unfortunately.

This was so clearly Aontu trying to appeal to Musk fans here, and anyone voting for it without realising that is an idiot.

Why would I or anyone else be embarrassed by what is so far nothing?
Once again you are assuming guilt.

Which was were we where quite a while ago.

You won't address that jump to convict, so I will leave it.

Apologies, that post was in reply to this.
https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123253716/#Comment_123253716

It means that if it is your department, you are responsible. Here's what we were promised in 2011 by Fine Gael:

 “We will pin down accountability for results at every level – from Ministers down –with clear consequences for success or failure.  Ministers should be responsible for policy and public service managers for delivery”

 “We will legislate for a reformed code of laws, replacing both the Ministers and Secretaries Acts and the Public Service Management Act”.

“Restrictions on the nature and extent of evidence by civil servants to the Oireachtas will be scrapped and replaced with new guidelines for civil servants that reflect the reality of the authority delegated to them and their personal accountability for the way in which it is exercised”.

As well as the PAC having full compellability,(no more sloping off sick) you the minister also have it. If something goes wrong or is done wrong the onus is on the Minister and his/her staff to get the information so that they can be accountable for their Dept. to the Dáil. No more hiding or hiding behind people or the 'how could I possibly be responsible' excuses.
The buck stops with you as the Minister.*

SIPO also has to be properly equipped and tasked to regulate. They should be proactive rather than reactive. Give them powers of investigation rather than having to depend on media to find out if politicians are abusing the system.

*This does not mean a Minister needs to resign over every problem.