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6N '25 Ireland v France Match Thread: Sat8th Mar 2:15 Farewell & Adieu to you POMs, Murrays & Healys

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭villamaria


    Crazy!

    Is said so many times the corporate world ruining the rugby and full on display yesterday, was embarrassing how we could not get the support behind the lads, it felt like a home game for the French they had at least 3 or 4 times their allocation and made themselves heard, not like the Irish.

    The IRFU should be ashamed at the lack of real fans getting in the doors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 481 ✭✭thamus doku


    I have said for years Ireland needs to build a squad by rotation. Not to build for the World Cup but to actually build depth for the now.
    so I would have no problem with prendergast getting so much game time if we were doing the same in other positions

    Rugby is a highly physical game where teams need large experienced squads, whether that be club or country.

    due to having a player hierarchy in the squad we leave ourselves vulnerable to an injury, suspension or bad form really hurting us and even if we don’t hear it publicly player discontent. A player can give a brilliant performance but when player X is fit again they are dropped again.

    We are constantly arriving in Irish rugby to a position where we arrive to play big important games and we have to pick Healy, Murray and herring as we need players with experience and we can’t throw young players into these cauldrons.
    surely we can all agree that Irish rugby constantly arriving at this position means we need to rewrite the script.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    You'd swear we were Wales the way some lads carry on. Yesterday was poor especially the 2nd half but we were missing our two best wingers and our best center. Of course the attack was going to suffer. Going forward I think this is a team in transition, three retirements yesterday, surely Henderson, Aki, Herring, Henshaw etc not too long left with Ireland. However prop is really the position I'd be concerned about for the next while. We have a fair amount of young talent at center for example. Craig Casey is an excellent replacement for Murray, Gus McCarthy replaces Herring no problem. The Under 20s has a few years of real success so Irish rugby can't be in too bad of shape. I think we start losing a bit in the next 18 months as we integrate new players, but Ireland are staying near the top of the world for the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,712 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Spare a thought for Frawley too. He didn't do much wrong much like Crowley.

    His performance against NZ was the stuff of nightmares



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'm also a Leinster supporter and I just do not see the hype with Frawley.

    He's a good player, but he's not in the same league as Prendergast or Crowley.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,146 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    We weren't hammered in the QF. A little bit better decision making during the game would have had us through



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,245 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    if they IRFU were serious about winning a RWC they would copy what SA are doing.

    The biggest issue we have in developing depth is the lack of exposure players are getting to high level games outside of the main squad.

    Players like Alex Soroka, Gus McCarthy, Cian Prendergast, Isuchewu, postelwaithe, are getting some bit of a look in but they are so far down the order they are not actually playing enough, and there is another cohort behind them as well.


    if we were serious about depth we would ditch the rule of not picking foreign players and allow the Under 20s players over the last few year away foreign to play and still actually be in contention

    There are more Tadgh Beirnes waiting to happen, and having someone playing Pro D2 or English premiership is better than holding tackle bags at provincial training.


    If you want greater depth at the top you need to widen the player base at the levels below that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭ingo1984


    at this rate, prendergasts new team mates will be some team in the AIL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 billo516


    Craig casey is too small for international duty. When he goes on his own he is too often stopped short of the line due to his lack of size.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,096 ✭✭✭Vinnie222


    Ah yes, Craig Casey is ‘too small’—maybe tell that to the international teams he’s already played against? Or better yet, email World Rugby and demand they introduce a minimum height requirement just to save yourself from making another clueless comment.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    The absolute state of this post.

    Dramatics, hysteria and hyperbole all wrapped into one sentence.

    Calm down, lads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,245 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    we are a top 5 team now.

    We used be top 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    France 4 enters the ruck from the side & contacts POC's lower leg. Clear Foul Play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭MangleBadger


    Top 4 I would say and any of the top 4 can beat each other on their day. If the top ranked team always won sport would be very boring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 749 ✭✭✭HanShotFirst


    They are simply the facts.

    Why are you calling that bullshit?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,363 ✭✭✭littlevillage


    Just checked in on this thread to see what kind of reactive scutter hyperbole would be posted.

    Listen we were down a few front line players yesterday and we just don't have the depth of replacements that the big Rugby countries like France have... That's the story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭Brief_Lives


    Yep..

    *unsubscribes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭CalmaftertheGav


    True but our depth issue is largly self inflicted, fail to prepare well…you know the rest!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    Can't find it, but Bealham apparently failed his HIA after been removed yesterday after a dangerous clear out.

    Anyone seen a clip?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,564 ✭✭✭Large bottle small glass


    Blocking a player in that position without getting a YC isn't hard; putting your arm up high gives ref a really easy decision when there is no need.

    POM blocked Bielle Barrey twice with pretend blocks to his kicks but followed through to make sure he stopped him. Hard decision both times for ref for a penalty and he didn't give either. Call it cute/cynical whatever you like but you win fcuk all without it.

    McCarthy is lazy or braindead but unless he gets a radical attitude change he's not fit for test rugby



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,222 ✭✭✭✭phog


    The facts should be simple but you're getting it wrong

    You said France scored two more tries when Nash was off for his YC.

    France scored a try between Nash committing his offense and the ref reviewing it, do he was still on the field of play for that try.

    They scored a try, conversion and a penalty while he was off.

    Here are those simple facts for you.

    Screenshot_2025-03-09-15-14-02-63_40d10128ba6102f5a76acc556ff3a0f3.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Well, I spotted it from my seat and called it at the time but somehow none of the officials or TMO saw it. 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,065 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    I disagree that he's too small. But I agree that he's not currently what Ireland needs. His decision making is still not sound. He makes the wrong call too many times. I don't see him as the long term successor to JGP.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,542 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    That was a statement performance by France. They came to the home of the 2 time defending champions and hammered them. Their forwards absolutely pummeled the Irish forwards into submission. And as we all know, forwards decide who wins. And as I've said before, Ireland simply doesn't have the pace in the backs to get them out of trouble or take advantage of any half breaks or disconnects in the defensive line.

    As always in these threads, people are complaining about the ref but the reality is, Gardner was fine. Anyone who has seen matches he refs would know that he likes a fast game and favours the attacking team. In the first half he was trying to speed the game up which should have suited Ireland as it would tire the French pack. But Ireland kept insisting on huddles before lineouts and taking the knee. Maybe he could have given a YC in the first 20 but Ireland had all the possession and territory and did nothing with it. They can't rely on the ref to give them a helping hand. The clear out on POM was a 50:50 call for me as the French player who ran into the hole was still tackled and as I said, Gardner favours the attacking team.

    It's a shame that Healy, POM and Murray didn't get a winning send off as they've been great servants but not everyone gets the fairytale ending.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭baas baa


    Anybody else see the Nash yellow as harsh. He was upright moving across the line as he didn't know where the ball was going to go. Next thing the French lad catches it and runs straight into his head. He looked like he tried to dip but it all happened so fast. That's how it seemed to me anyway be interested to hear a different take on it. The law is very odd, if you make contact to someone's head with your shoulder it's treated less severely than head to head contact even though your bound to be lower in the tackle if it's H2H rather than shoulder to head level.

    Gardner was very poor yesterday, felt like he was trying to be too clever and stamp his mark on the match. The POM incident obviously but hurrying Dupont off the pitch as though he was time wasting when he'd suffered a serious injury was disgraceful IMO



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 27,222 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Agree with all of this including the ref, I thought he was good, I'd argue about the taking out of POM but accept his explanation.

    I thought he was very clear in his discussions with both captains and in what he wanted from the teams



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,595 ✭✭✭techdiver


    The ref had a shocker but the Hash YC was as clear cut as they get.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,256 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond


    TheTheres lots from clubs and other areas of the game. People actively involced in sport who are never going to be season ticket holders to provinces who would not get tickets then. Just gicing tickets or more to seqson ticket holders from the provinces isnt better. Theres issues with who get tickets but just giving them to provincial season ticket holdwrs isnt the answer to anything and atmosphwre at plenty of provoncial games is still shite. Speaking as someone who works in the ground



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