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6N '25 Ireland v France Match Thread: Sat8th Mar 2:15 Farewell & Adieu to you POMs, Murrays & Healys

  • 06-03-2025 02:52PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭


    Farewell and Adieu to you…….

    1 March 1975 - This man played his last game for Ireland at Lansdowne Road.

    On that great day Ireland, the defending champions, thrashed France 25-6, with Willie-John McBride, on his last Test appearance at Lansdowne scoring his 1st try for Ireland.

    The omens are promising. There is an undeniable power in the symmetry…..

    IRELAND: Keenan; Osborne, Henshaw, Aki, Lowe; Prendergast, Gibson-Park; Porter, Sheehan, Bealham; J McCarthy, Beirne; O’Mahony, Van der Flier, Doris (capt).

    Replacements: Herring, Healy, Clarkson, Ryan, Baird, Conan, Murray, Crowley.

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2025/03/06/easterby-names-ireland-team-to-face-france-at-aviva-stadium/

    FRANCE: Ramos; Penaud, Barassi, Moefana, Bielle-Biarrey; Ntamack, Dupont (capt); Gros, Mauvaka, Atonio; Flament, Guillard; Cros, Boudehent, Alldritt.

    Replacements: Marchand, Baille, Aldegheri, Meafou, Auradou, Jegou, Jelonch, Lucu.

    https://www.ffr.fr/actualites/xv-de-france/tournoi-des-six-nations-la-composition-pour-lirlande

    Officials: Ref: Angus Gardner (RA), Assistants: Christophe Ridley (RFU) Matthew Carley (RFU)

    TMO: Ian Tempest (RFU) . FPRO: Andrew Jackson (RFU)

    TV: RTÉ2, ITV

    1975 was also the year of one of the greatest thrillers in history.

    "Sometimes that shark, he looks right into ya. Right into your eyes. Y'know the thing about a shark, he's got... lifeless eyes, black eyes, like a doll's eyes. When he comes at ya, doesn't seem to be livin'... until he bites ya. And those black eyes roll over white, and then...oh, then you hear that terrible high-pitch screamin', the field turns red, and spite of all the poundin' and the hollerin', they all come in and they... rip you to pieces." - Quint, JAWS; 1975

    "You're going to need a bigger bench." - Peter O'Mahony; 2025

    KILLER POM STAT:

    Ireland have never lost to France when he started.

    8 Starts, 7 Wins, 1 Draw.

    Incredible.

    Here’s three old adages that I believe will ring true tomorrow.

    1. Which France will turn up?
    2. Forwards win matches; backs decide by how much.
    3. Experience matters.

    WHICH FRANCE WILL TURN UP?

    The French have some supremely talented players and are marshalled around the field by one of the greatest to ever play the game.

    However, this group have only won the one Championship (2022 Grand Slam). There is/was pressure on this team to deliver more. Much more and There is probably even more pressure on the French coaches.

    If France lose this I wouldn’t be surprised if Galthié will be asked to resign his position at the end of the 6 Nations.

    From an outsider looking in I think the French players are getting a bit fed up with Galthié/Edwards and their ‘eccentrics’.

    So the question remains - Will the French implode or will they explode? If Ireland start well I think it will be the former.

    FORWARDS WIN MATCHES; BACKS DECIDE BY HOW MUCH.

    The headline is the amount of forwards on the benches. 7-1 Is an unnecessary gamble from France. It's a selection that has all the hallmarks of a head coach who has run out of ideas and has more than a touch of desperation about it.

    However, I believe the winning and losing of the game will come down to the starting packs.

    Ireland have the better Back row and Locks. Of that I have little doubt. Ireland also have the better Front row forwards, but only in the loose.

    Scrum is where France will hold the ascendancy. Rightly or wrongly Irelands scrum has a reputation. Unfortunately It’s now a bad reputation. Particularly Porter and particularly in the eyes (mind’s eye?) of the English officials.

    More than likely Ireland will concede some penalties at the scrum. Ramos will kick any pen in the Irish half and Ntamack is excellent at long-range touch finders. The Irish defensive lineout has been very strong this championship and will need to stop/disrupt the ball at source to prevent Dupont running wild.

    The attacking lineout has also been a set-piece of concern for Ireland for years. In the last two games v France it went well with Sheehan, POM, Beirne (Ryan) and even Joe McCarthy securing good ball for mauls and launch plays. Critical that that continues tomorrow.

    Forwards will lay the platform for the two best half backs on the planet to perform. Gibson-Park is integral to this Irish team it just so happens that the opposition scrum-half is the greatest to ever play the game.

    https://www.sixnationsrugby.com/en/m6n/news/the-defining-head-to-head-of-2025

    EXPERIENCE MATTERS.

    Ireland have 12 players over the age of 30 in the matchday squad. France have only 4 over the age of 30.

    Ut est rerum omnium magister usus/ Experience is the teacher of all things – Julius Caesar, Commentarii de Bello Civili, 46 BC

    There is a healthy competitive rivalry that has built up between these teams over the years. France have won 3 of the last 5 meetings between the two. With Ireland now hoping for their third consecutive win over France.

    But there is another layer to this. The La Rochelle and Toulouse rivalry with Leinster.

    There are 20 Leinster players in the Irish squad who have lost to 18 of the Toulouse/La Rochelle players in the last 3 European Cup Finals.

    The French and Irish players are now deep-seated rivals.

    You could argue that Ireland have 2 or 3 players with too much experience. That the fine balance between experience and ‘old’ has just tipped the wrong way.

    Too few of the great Irish players got the fairytale ending. O’Driscoll, who set the wheels in motion 25 years ago in Paris, signed off by lifting the trophy with a win in the Stade De France in 2014.

    I believe that Healy, Murray and O’Mahony will bid farewell to us all with a memorable victory tomorrow in Lansdowne road. It would be fitting if those three great gladiators of Irish rugby go out on their shields and raise the trophy in Rome.

    Veni,

    Cian Healy - 136 caps

    Vidi,

    Connor Murray – 124 caps

    Vici

    Peter O’Mahony – 112 caps

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,152 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    The 2023 game is probably the best game between these two sides since the 2000 game in Paris.

    Interestingly both JGP and Sheehan didn't play in 2023.

    I actually think the Irish 23* for this game is better than the team that played that day and the French 23 is arguably worse now.

    *I think Osbourne isn't going to play on the wing. Bielle-Biarrey v Keenan will be fascinating.

    Osborne has never started a professional game on the right wing but Easterby is backing him to make a success of this latest positional shift, while indicating that Osborne and Keenan will swap roles at different stages of the game.

    “He’s done pretty well so far across the short international career he’s had,” said Easterby of Osborne.

    “He’s a fabulous footballer, first and foremost. He’s got a physical presence and he’s also got a really smart rugby brain. He understands the game and the feel of the game.

    “So we’ve got a bit of flexibility there in terms of his positioning, a flexibility to move him around a little bit in certain parts of the field so we can utilise his left, but he’s also got a right foot as well. So there’s a bit of flexibility within the system that would allow us to utilise him and Hugo in different positions.”

    https://www.the42.ie/easterby-ireland-france-2-6641368-Mar2025/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,694 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Would we still have gone 6-2 split if Mack was available. Who then covers all those positions that Osborne is covering by starting on Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,385 ✭✭✭standardg60


    My worst fear realised with Healy in over Boyle, i know it's his last home game but this could haunt him and us. Also praying that Bealham doesn't get an early injury/replacement given Clarkson's disaster in the scrum against Wales.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Madeoface


    Experience I guess. Still a very solid scrummager. Keep the penalty count lower the approach there I'd say.

    Hopefully a great game. Ireland should have the ability to kick and tire the French. Ireland by a 👃 nose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    People were outraged that Osborne was picked at 15 against South Africa despite not having played there all season. And we know how that worked out.

    It's harsh on Nash but at the same time Osborne is probably more of a like for like replacement for Hansen in terms of style.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,247 ✭✭✭PMC83


    Experience mixed with a championship decider, mixed with the emotion of it being his last game. Healy will empty his soul into Saturday.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,043 ✭✭✭vetinari


    It's very different imo. There wasn't an obvious full back choice for the South Africa game. It still was a surprise though.

    Assuming Nash is fit (bit question mark), playing Osbourne ahead of him is bizarre.

    I doubt that was a selection change that anyone was expecting beforehand.

    There's a form of collective amnesia happening whereby people are forgetting that we WON a six nations last year with Nash and Crowley starting every game. Nash is not some risky option on the wing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,526 ✭✭✭techdiver


    The Nash/Osbourne decision isn't as confusing as everyone is making out. It's simply a factor of the 6/2 bench. Osbourne covers more positions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,694 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I asked above but here goes again, what happens the bench if Hansen was available and starting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    is nash not injured?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,113 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I like that starting team. Osbourne pick makes sense in a few ways. Tough tough game in store. Hard to call it.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭Baseball72


    watching a South Africa podcast during the week, one of the contributors tipped Osborne as starting full back the British and Irish Lions to Australia…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,526 ✭✭✭techdiver


    Hansen is more versatile than Nash also, but it might have posed more of a question. But since Hansen wasn't available it made the 6/2 decision easier and unfortunately Nash doesn't fit that composition.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Who said Nash was risky? I certainly didn’t. Who has forgotten last year?

    For the SA tour we had Jordan Larmour, Jimmy O’Brien and Ciarán Frawley, all of whom had played 15 for Ireland in the previous 12 months. They still picked Osborne.

    I’m just speculating on why this selection might have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,621 ✭✭✭Musicrules


    Ireland 19 France 26.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,695 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Dunno, he's class but Keenan is just a better FB



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,298 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    France 31 Ireland 21



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    France 42 - Ireland 12



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,943 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I'll be expecting an Ireland win on the grounds that this group are expecting the French to win and our Wales predictions were miles off. Ireland by 6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,695 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Think we'll win by 2 scores. I trust that this group can deliver when it matters.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 252 ✭✭Baseball72




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I hope our scrum holds up and Porter in particular flies under the radar. I doubt France will play as badly as they did against England.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    i have a feeling it could be a blow out too. We haven't put in a full 80 mins in a while.

    We will get more than 12.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭hold my beer


    Ireland by at least a score. Expecting a very tight arm-wrestle, Ireland to come out on top.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭SaoPaulo41


    My honest head to head

    Ramos v Keenan ev, but Ramos will score more

    Penaud Lowe adv france but close

    Barassi v Henshaw, adv Ire

    Moefana v Aki adv Ire

    , Bielle-Biarrey v Osborne adv Fra

    ; Ntamack v Prendergast adv Fra

    , Dupont (capt) v JGP very close adv Fra

    ; Gros v Bealham even

    Mauvaka v Sheehan adv Ire but close

    Atonio v Porter adv Ire if he is reffed fairly

    ; Flament v Beirne adv Ire

    , Guillard v McCarthy even;

    Cros v pom adv Fra

    Boudehent v VDF adv Ire

    Alldritt v Doris close but adv Ire.

    I think if France win they win by more more than 10 ,if Ire win we win by 3. French backs are so so dangerous and have more speed and try scoring ability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    I don’t think we have played particularly well and rode our luck at times. France lost to England but could have been a very different story if passes had stuck (and generally do with France).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,694 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I'm worried about this one, any win for France probably steers them to be 6Ns champions.

    While I think it's crazy for France to go 7-1 split our 6-2 split isn't ideal either, Healy (great servant and all that) is probably a 15 minute player at this stage, barring injuries Crowley & possibly Murray are not being subbed on til late so that 3 of your bench sitting on their hands while France throw everything at us and our starters tire.

    We need to have great start and hope the French heads drop and then that we can keep ahead til the last quarter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭exiledawaynothere


    good point on using the bench. Will they take a bomb squad approach?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,694 ✭✭✭✭phog


    At best, you could call Ryan, Baird and Conan our bomb squad and I don't see the three of them being subbed on at the same time. I think our bench will be used fairly conservatively and some of that is driven by the 6-2 split and Healy being on the bench.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    Very hard game to call. I've been relatively confident when facing France over the last number of years but not as confident for tomorrow.

    I think we have played well in patches this tournament whilst trying to embed new and inexperienced players.

    France, have looked sensational for the most part barring a bizzare episode vs England where they did everything but win. They've changed tact this 6 nations with the more forward dominant mind set and as a result they are getting more opportunities to get to the edge where their backs are the best in the business going forward.

    We are an extremely hard side to beat and I think if our set piece goes well then we will edge it.



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