6N '25 Ireland v France Match Thread: Sat8th Mar 2:15 Farewell & Adieu to you POMs, Murrays & Healys

This and all of the others

We had just scored.
Momentum was with Ireland.
France scoring the try and Ireland picked up a YC at the same time.
Thats crucial!

Not only that the try should have been disallowed.

Leading 13-8 with 14 men is very different to Losing 13-15 with 14 men.

I can’t spell it out any more clearly than this:

It’s hard to beat a team with a man less. It’s even harder when you are losing.

Yes and Yes

France would have kicked to the corner.
Who knows what would have happened then.
A 5 pointer?

A 3 pointer?

A 7 pointer?

A turnover?
I know one thing for certain. More time would have been used up on the YC.

France scored 2 more tries when Nash was off.

Thing that actually annoyed me the most about today was when POM left the field for the last time at lansdowne road the TV director decided to keep the camera on the ref for the duration while the commentators had to describe the ovation he was getting. It was like they didn't want us to see, so bizarre.

The TV work in general seems to be leaving a lot to be desired. I've noticed this year they don't show any replays of any suspect moments at all unless the Tmo calls attention to something. I guess that is just trying to avoid controversy but I don't think that is the right approach.

The POM think was as bad. The ref had enough airtime by then, surely they knew POM going off was a huge moment for the Irish audience. Anyone who has played 100+ times for any country would deserve that at least I would have thought

What is "very different" about winning by 5 points vs losing by 2 when down a man with plenty of time left. Surely the team will do largely the same thing and play conservatively and try to use up time until they are restored to the full complement?

Our use of Crowley this 6Ns has been poor, some of it excusable by cards or having only two backs on the bench but overall it's questionable.

One of the reasons giving (on here) for Sam to start v Wales was that if he was starting v France and didn't play Wales then it would be almost a month without him playing. Crowley hasn't really played outhalf since his last game with Munster but that's somehow acceptable.

I understand why Ireland might want to give Sam more time but surely Jack should have started a game or at least get more than a few minutes at outhalf.

Personally I think Crowley is better, a LOT better, like a man versus a teenage boy better. But I wouldn't have minded Sam getting a start vs Scotland or Wales.

He got 21 minute v England

He came on at 15 v Scotland

The Ringrose YC/RC left us exposed to a late injury in a tight game.

Aki didn't look comfortable yesterday before he was replaced and we had a 6/2 bench.

Like how are we supposed to develop depth adoptions if we don't actually try things?

I don’t know what a depth adoption is.

I do know a good player is getting treated like sh1t.

Should read depth and options*

Crowley is not getting treated like sh1t.

Only a minor thing but the on screen graphics for this year's 6 nations is nasty to my mind. Also seems to be some attempt to brand it as the M6N.

Jack is being given no time whatsoever to prove he’s the better option.

21 mins vs England

15 vs Scotland

8 against Wales

23 yesterday vs France

Hardly any of it in the 10 position. He’s being used as cover.

And that’s all he’s played since the 18th of January (Munster game against Northampton). A total of 77 mins in two months.

You are bizarre, as rugby fans go.

Evidence has been shown that clearly plroves that JC has been treated shoddily.

This is the last I will reply to anything you say.

go for a walk.

Your making this a JC v SP, not me but…

That isn't my intent. You can go back through my posts, I've said about 500 times in the last few weeks that I could go either way on OH selection, I think the margins (in either direction) are wafer thin.

I think Crowley is a very good player coming out the wrong side of a very tight call, my only point is that I don't think this equates to being "treated like sh1t".

a guy that’s clearly got holes in his game over a guy that doesn’t have those holes.

Is this true? Prendergast's game is full of holes, that's glaringly obvious and I won't be portrayed as a cheerleader for Prendergast here.

But regardless of Prendergast's arrival, there is something in Crowley that the coaches see as not quite the full package too.

Crowley's last three starts for Ireland;

• Second test vs SA - taken off with 20 minutes to go for Ciaran Frawley, who's no world beater at OH.
• Nov test vs NZ - taken off with 25 minutes to go for Ciaran Frawley, who's no world beater at OH.
• Nov test vs Arg - taken off with 20 minutes to go for test debutant Sam Prendergast

Each of these game was heavily in the balance when Crowley was taken off and in each instance we said, nah, we don't need him to see it out.

You said earlier that Crowley has done everything that has been asked of him, but it doesn't really look that way.