Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

The typical MAGA / Musk-bro position to all of this isn't from a lack of understanding. They understand perfectly what Russia are up to. However they don't care about what Russia are doing. They're far more interested to help stack up Donnie's house of cards that create the illusion that the Orange Lummox is somehow in the right.

There is plenty of talk of "peace" in MAGA-world, but they really mean is "Give in to Russia". Those of us who are students of history or who actually give a damn about democracy and freedom know that such a position is not actually peace. Merely the peace of the grave for the Ukrainian people, and a brief respite for Putin while he prepares for his next move. War is what keeps him safe now ironically, and paradoxially the Russian State not only cannot survive the current war in Ukraine, but can't survive without it either. It's all they have now, which is why they must be forced back on the battlefield.

I don't take any MAGA fan or Elon-bro at face value with their newly found peacenik personas, suddenly advocating for peace and sunshine around the world. We know you all far too well to fall for it, and you know damn well yourselves that you don't believe it either. It's just yet another personal-branding cudgel that Donnie wants to swing. These days he wants to cosplay as "Donnie the Peacemaker", while blaming everyone else for the state of the world. You are all far too damn willing to help him in that patomime than to actually give a damn about genuine world peace.

Apparently he's also still obsessed with the Nobel Peace Prize (possibly out of a lingering jealousy for Obama) and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if all of this stupidity from him regarding Ukraine is more in service of that goal than anything else, even potentially his help to old Vlad.

When I was there there was no shortage of money also going towards fighting against British state protected terrorism in Northern Ireland.

I get what's you're saying though, and if the USD really tanks there won't be as many Irish heading over extolling the positives of the USA when there isn't as much of a financial incentive to.

my British friends are extremely angry at Vance **** on those people who died in US wars they got dragged into thinking they were allies

We were just chatting yesterday about this

It seems UK threw the pivot to pacific into the bin now as well concentrating to the danger much closer to home now

The arms industry lobby and market is huge in American political circles. I wondered how they would react to Trump pushing ceasefires in Gaza and Ukraine. They need war to sell. However it's clear now that he will continue to send arms to Israel and recent the 4bn Rubio deal circumventing Congress proves that. Israel will start using the big bombs in Gaza soon I fear. Demolition job. Also If there is a ceasefire in Ukraine (likely for minerals deal), Europe will more than make up for the arms sales deficit by buying US arms in bulk to beef up their defences because they don't trust Trump to have their backs in future. It's just what the world needs, everyone armed to the teeth.

Roughly 55% of Europe's arms imports from 2019 to 2023 were from America, sharply up on 35% over the preceding five years, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute.

well Trump has INCREASED the killing in Ukr by removing it’s intelligence service from it. Ukr is now not in a position to warn its inhabitants of drones and missiles being ‘on their way’

Doge has sacked 100 s of technical staff at the faa this means theres more chance of accidents in air travel weather forecast staff have also been sacked we are in a time of more extreme weather events winds help wild fires to spread and cause more damage over a wide area .musk and trumps friends will get more contracts as the federal government is reduced and has less resources comoanys will be free to destroy the environment America will become a less positive place to live in if you are a working class person we might see America fall into recession you can't sack a million workers and not effect the economy

The federal government has a budget if a trillion dollars it also has contracts with private company's to maintain roads and clean to water supply's to the public

Federal workers will be replaced by more expensive private contractors the data of all workers is at risk eg tax social security data is being acessed by doge who are young barely qualified people who can hardly setup a Facebook account.

I doubt if there's going to be much money saved as private contacters charge more than federal workers who are in a fixed salary

Has the death toll increased in actuality or is this just a prediction?

The killing needs to stop. I wouldn’t care how if I was Ukrainian. We can deal with Putin afterwards

Europe pivoted away from US ships over the past few decades. The US global export market dropped from 35% to 3% with some European navies 100% independent (ship building, weapons, radar etc... are all domestic made)

On the US weapons front, European countries have a equal (and some cases better) version to the US one at a fraction of the cost. The limiting factor seems to be production capacity.

If the EU plan to rearm, this could be the pivot point to become even more independent from the US arms industry.

Where else would they buy from? Where else has the access to raw materials and capacity? It's hard to flip supply chains. There may be long term maintenance contracts.

Plenty of arms companies in Europe

Anyways another 1.5 trillion wiped out from US markets yesterday

True but we ain't seen nothing yet. And the bluffer is just confusing the markets now with his tariff yo-yo.

The Dow Jones index is still higher than it was for all 2024 up until end October.

It is 42,500 now. It was 38,791 this time last year.

Bitcoin is down 13% since Trump came into White House

His own scam coins have imploded

Of course but what can we do about it? Would you advocate Irish soldiers fighting?

Most Americans are normal people like us and just as appalled at the circus and I suspect even some of those who voted for trump or stayed at home are feeling fairly gloom now

US population is 346.6 million people

Out of those only 77.2 million should be blamed for Trump and deserves all the **** that’s coming their way due to this clownshow

That’s about a quarter of the US population I have zero sympathies for anymore, first time around it could be dismissed as people wanting “change” this time around, nah

Anyways most of the US “culture” originates from normal state and cities not the MAGA yokels who get disproportionate representation