Is Elon Musk hurting Tesla? (Mod Note Post #1)

Tesla stock the last month, still very high but falling I think would be the best way to describe it

For comparison Ford and VW, both much lower but also more stable

The likes of Blackrock and Vanguard have a lot of interests in China, I don't think the IRS would scare them much. The power those 2 companies have alone could destroy the US economy if they were tempted

I would like to think that a drop in share price, especially one as substantial as I can see happening, would make even the muskets closest family members turn on him. And a part of me wonders if that's what he actually wants, to be fired by the Tesla board so he can concentrate on DOGE and SpaceX

The virtue signalling dimension comes in when you whine in public spaces about how you're "definitely avoiding Tesla because…."

Several posters here with a disdain for Tesla vehicles (and/or Tesla owners) since they launched in Ireland have latched onto recent Musk behaviour as a way of further amplifying and focusing their disdain for the brand, while shrouding it in concern for the world etc. Signalling virtue quite disingenuously, as per.

The reality is very few really give two hoots about Musk in this country and are continuing to order Tesla vehicles because they represent absolutely brilliant value for money and are great to own and drive.

If the EU sales drop forces the company to shutter the German plant I assume that Ireland would be supplied by the Chinese plant as before. If I remember rightly the EU tariff on Tesla cars imported from China was at a lower rate specifically because the German plant was starting up, but if it closes then Chinese Teslas would face the full fat 28% import tariff.

Maybe there'll still be an Irish market feeding off the UK supply which I don't think is as affected by import tariffs.

The sooner he's gone the better. He's doing a mighty job at Starlink!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/technology/tech-companies/mexican-billionaire-carlos-slim-cuts-ties-with-elon-musk-s-starlink-costing-musk-7-billion-after-controversial-tweet/ar-AA1zWshm?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1

Thing about Starlink potentially going bust is that it's much easier to change broadband provider than it is to change your car

Whether people want to voice their opinion or conduct anti-Tesla protests in public spaces is an individuals right to do so. We now see that Trump, whom Musk emphatically supports, wants to ban protests if he deems them as illegal and dissent. That's straight out of the Nazi playbook.

It's unfair to say that people who choose to spend their hard earned money in an ethical way which does not align with yours are somehow labelled virtue signallers or anti-Tesla when clearly Musk is derranged and is now partly a liability for global stability and positive advancement of society.
You are perfectly entitled to frame people in way which your views had led you to, but be prepared to receive as good as you give.

People can be anti-Tesla just like how some people are anti-SUV, and also care about the consequences that his actions are impacting upon society.
The key piece bit of information that seperates Musk from all other automaker CEO's(CEO's in general) and why people feel so strongly to voice their outrage; is his choice to be a highly divisive, highly controversial public figure with sociopathic tendencies, who holds unimaginable wealth, and a highly disproportional amount of political influence.

There's more than 1 satellite broadband company out there

Your disdain for Tesla has nothing to do with Musk, let's be honest. You had a squeak or a rattle in a Model Y and kicked off against the brand all over this board going back at least 12 months. There are a few anti-Tesla posters now seizing on Musk as a beacon for their company sentiments, despite holding those sentiments long prior to any perceived opinion of its CEO.

Irish Tesla sales are up, perhaps not matching the UK, but performing well in spite of everything going on.

I’ll reply later with my rebuttal on the Elon thread

It’s not at all unusual for commercial satellite companies to have defence contracts. 25 years ago I worked on a telecoms project in the Middle East with a commercial satellite company who had sold their entire bandwidth to the British military so that every squaddie kicking in a door in Afghanistan could have a live feed camera beaming back to the command

Very suspicious sales activity being investigated by Canadian authorities over a spike in Tesla registrations before an EV grant ending.

Aside from suspicious activity I link it also because such incidences could also skew what's discussed in this thread.

Tesla ownership is a tiny tiny proportion of our population, just like X membership, and definitely starlink users.

It’s natural that many people will have a view on what Musk does without ever having to own one of his products.

There’s 3.5m adults in Ireland according to the CSO, and we’ve registered just over 9,000 teslas ever. 0.25%

Obviously what the registration figures will never show are the people who could have bought a Tesla and bought something else.

The base m3 rwd is the best value car for sale in Ireland imho, but over 99% of actual buying decisions choose something else