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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Have you done some basic research on this topic?

    For example nearly 4,000 of that number of NGOs is schools.

    Do you have a problem with schools?

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Michael Martin stating that most asylum seekers here on false pretences, unthinkable a year ago- every NGO, politician and MSM shill would be outraged and circling the wagons.

    How long should we wait for every NGO including schools to circle the wagons?

    I strongly doubt nick delahanty has done any research beyond seeing a figure on a xhitter post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    That just leaves 30,000 NGO. Do you think we need that many for a country our size?



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Zico !


    Martin has joined the majority of peoples opinion and said its a scam if some posters want to argue its not let them off-we know what it is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Who is Nick Delahanty?

    Not much about him online apart from the fact he didn't get many votes in the last election.



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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No Tom I don't.

    I think our government should run many of the services it outsources and absconds responsibility for through the NGO model. Especially the running of schools.

    Do you think all the other 30,000 provide no benefit to Irish people and society?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A self proclaimed citizen journalist with failed attempts to become a politician.

    Some might label him a grifter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    We've essentially become the Dubai for 3rd world criminals. But you don't need money to survive like you would in Dubai. The Irish tax payer actually pay you.

    Absolute banana Republic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    How can Michael Martin row back from all he's stood behind.

    Oh there's a problem now is there?

    This is a man that stood in the dail and defended people arriving in Ireland without passports.

    This is the guy accusing Niall Boylan of having no humanity when he questioned the madness that's going on.

    MM needs to resign.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,958 ✭✭✭✭zell12




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Politicians don't resign. Save your breath fpr cooling your porridge. I'll just happily accept a change in the message. It's a start.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Nick Delehanty is doing great work at highlighting the scandalous waste by government departments. He is exposing issues with the asylum industry that legacy media shy away from.

    He also had the conviction to stand over his beliefs, and run as a candidate in both local and General elections. It's easy to post on forum or X about issues but anyone who is willing to put their name on a ballot paper, no matter their beliefs, should be commended, not ridiculed because they don't share your ideologies.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In this context doing

    doing great work at highlighting

    Means reading mainstream media news articles on xhitter right?

    It's easy to post on forum or X about issues but anyone who is willing to put their name on a ballot paper, no matter their beliefs, should be commended, not ridiculed because they don't share your ideologies.

    I must have missed your posts commending Roderic O'Gorman for not only running for election but for being elected by the people!

    You totally wouldn't ridicule Roderic because you don't share … ideologies.

    Right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I don't like O''Gorman, I don't like his policies, but he still ran for public office, and fair play to him for doing that. Was I glad he didn't get in this time around, yes, doesn't mean I can't appreciate what it takes to run and be a politican.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    I’m sure they do. In fact as you stated some people badly let down by the state rely very heavily on these NGO’s. For me and because the topic here is about immigration is why there is Doras, Nasc, Masi, Irish Refugee Council…. and i’m sure there are many more that have some connection and financial stake in this area. All getting some sort of Taxpayers grants I'm sure, how much I don’t know. All have CEO’s and i’d be pretty positive they don’t do it for free.

    So my question is why do we have multiple NGO’s overlapping in their roles?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Many many posters on this thread ridicule Roderic. I'm not going to track back through those posts because its a waste of energy.

    not ridiculed because they don't share your ideologies.

    But lets be fair here there has absolutely been ridiculing of Roderic and his parties ideology on this thread.

    To deny it would be an attempt at dis-information. So I am very confused why Mr. Delahanty should be immune from ridicule.

    Also I do not agree that merely putting your name on the ballot paper makes you immune from critique and indeed ridicule.

    Many many absolute clowns have run for office and should be ridiculed.

    PS:

    Was I glad he didn't get in this time around

    Got bad news for you pal!

    Roderic is an elected representative unlike Mr Delahanty



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You didn't ask that though did you tom?

    You and the other poster attempted to blame all NGO's. You then looked to me to justify the existence of 30,000 rather than ones you specifically dislike.

    I don't think there is a prohibition on creating Non profit organisations in Ireland. So if a group of individuals see a need and can secure funding they can create and run a non profit org subject to the rules of such under Irish Law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Could you explain what exactly you think a banana Republic is and how the UAE and Irelands are ones?

    Also have you evidence that "3rd world criminals" are targeting Ireland to run their global criminal enterprises?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    Attempted to blame? I think you are over reaching there chief. What other poster? Dont be shy, name and shame. And where did I say I disliked any of the NGO"s mentioned, please highlight where I actually said that in my post please. I still stand over why should Irish taxpayers fund multiple NG0's with more or less the same remit.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ok

    If the below quote is not making accusations of impropriety against the 34k NGOs stated in the post then I don't know what it is.

    due to us being taken for a ride.

    You then reply to my reply, seemingly to defend that posters position of accusing the NGOs of nefarious behavior.

    And because I have pointed out nearly 4k NGOs are schools you now want me to defend the remaining 30k. One can only assume that you are ok with the accusations of bad behavior because you question me not the poster making the claim that NGOs are taking us for a ride>

     I still stand over why should Irish taxpayers fund multiple NG0's with more or less the same remit.

    Overlapping NGOs like the Irish cancer society and the marie keating foundation?

    Overlapping NGOs like a gael school and educate together school in the same area



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    So much of this seems like imagined grievance however. When you talk about referring to a criminal who has committed sexual assault, there are few who would ever argue that you can't refer to them in unkind terms. But I'm not quite sure what you mean — are you saying that there is a significant body of people out there who think that a such a person can't be called a scumbag because it's unkind? Or are you simply referring to those who think it's a step too far to say something like "well what else would you expect from those dirty stinking [insert ethnic slur]"?

    Being a rational person of common sense — which I am sure you see yourself as being — involves being able to see the perspective of those you disagree with. In this instance, there are many people out there who are saying that the parading of the ethnicity of an offender and a totally unrestrained approach to what is said about their ethnicity bears a degree of risk for other innocent members of that ethnic minority. They aren't saying it to protect the sex offender, they are saying it because maybe it's also not great for society if a kid in school is being told by other kids that he's a dirty stinking [ethnic slur] whose people are all dirty sexual deviant rapists because that's what the media and everyone in the community is drilling into their heads.

    The balance is hard to strike between dispassionate statistical analysis of demographics / migrant crime and people using those statistics to make all sorts of conclusions which create genuine risks for innocent people. But people seem determined to conclude that lefty liberals act solely out of a desire to protect sex offenders and there can't possibly be any reason or rationale whatsoever behind it.

    Post edited by ArthurDayne on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    You shouldn't assume anything Robbie… I asked you to point out where I specifically said I disliked the aforementioned NGO's, you are clutching at straws with the examples given, and you failed to show that. We'll leave it there so.

    As for the highlighting of the two cancer charities, yes, thats a fair point considering the **** show of the health service. But in a well funded Immigration industry with a hefty budget going towards IPAS centres etc why do we need so many immigration NGO's with the same remit. It's not exactly a huge deficit of a social issue the government are ignoring are they?

    Carry on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Should be, absolutely bananas.

    We're not getting 3rd world cartel leaders.

    We're just getting 3rd world criminals.

    At least the cartel leaders would have their own money.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NGO's are non governmental bodies. You get that right?

    That government is not responsible for the creation of them and there is no legal prohibition from you i or anyone else creating one whether another is already operating in a similar area is irrelevant.

    You asked me to justify 30k NGOs in an immigration thread do you not see how silly that question is when you seem to have no understanding for the range of bodies and areas that are covered by NGO's.

    do we need barnardos and the ISPCC for example they seem to overlap in their area of concern.

    The ISPCA, the DSPCA and Dogs trust. Do we need all those NGOs

    Do you want me to keep identifying the 30k and overlaps?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    Just identify the overlaps on the immigration NGO's please and justify why they should be (full or part) funded by the taxpayer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    There is no figure for those who make a new claim for asylum or those who cannot be returned . They do exist . To repeat the number of deportations is miniscule in comparison to those arriving . Those 41 percent are unlikely to leave so the state must provide more DP accommodation and benefits at a rising cost .This includes moving Ukrainians and replacing them with asylum seekers.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you longer dispute the totality of the 34k NGOs only the asylum ones?

    Are you still blaming the government for the creation of these non governmental bodies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Ozvaldo


    Country is corrupt from top to bottom



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,781 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




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  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There country is not perfect but its certainly not

    corrupt from top to bottom.



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