Deposit return scheme (recycling) - Part 2

Ive already quoted where the recycling target references lead to in the directive. They are not the same targets as collection targets. You can keep quoting "for recycling" all you like. Its meaningless. It does not change collection targets into recycling targets.

Ah, it's meaningless.

Yes - because EU legislators are known for carelessly throwing irrelevant words and phrases into Directives, with ne'er a thought as to what they actually mean or how they should be interpreted. Sure these things are written on the back of an envelope when somebody has a few minutes to spare.

Thank you for clearing that one up. 😁

https://gript.ie/we-dumped-the-greens-can-we-now-ditch-the-dismal-deposit-return-scheme/

Not much love for Re-Turn this morning.

Had a quick look on Gript Facebook page. Some good replies to the article.

Me too.

Really? So it is OK that few people get away with 54M taken out of pocket of the people?

Meh, I may need to set up glass DRS I just need to figure out who do I need to include in this business so it will be with government blessing but zero oversight… Going to get pack of brown envelopes just in case I will figure it out.

People like me then.

You have zero empathy for people like me. That tells me all I need to know about you.

Who said it was?

You never complain about inconveniences unless they are among the "big deal" issues facing the country?

Nope. Not credible is it?

And why didnt we think of that! Bring it back with the food shop.

What if you get online deliveries?

What if you cant use the machines cos they arent accessible and you have mobility issues?

What if you are buying a drink in airport and flying out?

What if you were charged a deposit on an ineligible item during the rollout mess?

Thats all contributing to the 54 million.

Ive never been unable to return the trolley.

I have been unable to return items I paid deposits on - whether cos machine out of order, valid item rejected, or bringing the items home from a gig wasnt practical.

We dont need your permission to complain here. Funny I seem to recall similar earlier on the thread about the standard for complaints and empathy. It was nonsense first time around too. People can have empathy or at least recognition at others issues, big and small. Doesnt have to be the same levels as for big issues but nor does it have to come across as Im alright Jack, cant imagine why people find it inconvenient well boo hoo to you.

Similarly theres posts on the threads about people, especially during rolllout, complaining and getting nowhere in shops. Their deposits are in the 54 million.

And nope not every shop has spare helpful staff you can engage with for assistance like that. Especially busy ones in cities who wouldnt give a hoot if unknown customer X never returns.

People get deliveries. They dont go into shops. Thats the whole point of getting the deliveries. They may not have a car. They may have mobility issues.

This has already been pointed out to you several times.

If it was setup that that happened frequently yes. How many times you see that happen with trolleys? Once in a blue moon.

Ive seen muliple machines out lf action at same time. Ive seen machines die during loading. Ive seen machine out of action for hour at a time. A pita if you have brought stuff on foot and want to bring home new shopping.

I think setting it up deliberately making it awkward and brittle yes is a scam as the money flows to Return.

No solution for deliveries.

No solution for direct refunds or even charity donations so you have to go into shops.

Much bigger exemption size compared to other EU countries so lots of shops / hospitality etc dont have to accept returns.

If the machine is out of order the shop should have to accept returns. That would give incentive to keep them running.

I am not here to defend the system. It should be clear from my posts already. The constant referring it to a scam adds nothing to discussion.

All of your points are valid and a basis for discussion.

How would you change them?

What does challenging posts that refer to it as a scam "add" to the discussion? Its not a phrase I constantly use but I understand why it is used given how Return have been setup as a private company and the lack of incentive for them to remedy issues. Using it flags some of the deep seated issues with the scheme. Heads they win, tails you lose.

The above were all raised during the consultation, government cant plead ignorance.

Reduce the exemption size so more outlets have to accept returns.

Exempt locations where returns are impractical such as airports, concerts, events.

Council sites should get involved with bulk machines.

If the machines can support direct refunds or donations then order that to be activated. If not upgrade the specs for any new machines.

Delivery returns - they should look again at how other countries handling these.

Remove the deposit on items like large bottles of orange juice and 2 litre water. There are exemptions for milk and 5l water. That may aleviate some of the impact on delivery households if that cant be addressed.

I found it a lot less of a big deal to pop it into my recycling bin at the front door

but that’s just me I guess

I love the DRS it saves me having to go to the recycling with my non logoed cans&plastic bottles.I go thru the motions of looking for the label to get a refund then loud tut tuts as I dump rejects in bin.Might try glass bottles next.Thank you to some producers.

For those that are saying get deliveries etc why not donate to local clubs organisation, schools. Im sure youd find someone to rake them for you for the cause? More and more places are getting an orange bin to raise funds then you will have less of an excuse to complain of a minority pocketing from it.