Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

Busy thread the last couple of days. Worth watching this in case anyone skipped over it trying to catch up. If I was an American I'm be very very depressed.

Then you have MAGA laughing and heckling Europe and Ukraine. It's like teasing someone that just had their teeth knocked in while you yourself have just been immunocompromised and are starting to succumb to multiple serious infections.

I think you're giving Trump and his followers way too much credit. I lived in the US once many moons ago and the version of what they get told about the world via their media is shockingly masticated beyond being of any use.

There is still a belief there that they are the best country in the world, many would say Gods chosen, the national myth of a promised land to which the world looks.

Europeans might be shocked by Trump's brashness, but if you're an Afghani, or a Palestinian you'll have been in no doubt about US brutishness.

I spent the weekend wallowing in a pit of anxiousness about the whole situation. I am having a serious look at what i consume, media, software, hardware and i'm going to make a conscious effort to pivot away from all US goods. I have already cancelled all streaming services but it'll be hard to get rid of android and all google services. any suggestions are welcome.

Here's what i am taking out of all this. As most perople, i have concluded that the US no longer sees Europe as a strategic partner and more of an economic and political rival. Project 2025 is now in full swing, with america now pivoting their interest towards China. He has told the Russians that they wont interfere in Europe if they stick to Ukraine. Although I don't think Putin could be trusted, but it won't matter because the US wants Russia as an ally against China.

Its a scary new world order that America wants to rule.

Interesting … How will Putin view this one wonders .. a step too far, then threaten Nukes, but thats it

"Britain is prepared to close the skies over Ukraine to enforce a peace deal! Prime Minister Keir Starmer announces readiness to deploy troops and aircraft for monitoring. Several European countries are also gearing up for a peacekeeping mission."

Seeing a good few comments stating that the Oval office ambush on Friday will do as much damage to the US's standing in Europe as Elon's Roman salute has done to Tesla.

Trump's first term was treated as a blimp, but his reelection confirms that the US doesn't respect anyone.

He'll ignore it. Britain will be free to close the skies over Ukraine when a peace deal is done because by it's very definition, a deal requires Putin's consent.

Before that deal is done is when the RAF would be of most use.

It is all aggressive disinformation.They have a continuous liar as head and a cabal of project 2025ers bury themselves in his head and anus.

They will continue their work until (if ever) there is pushback.

They hate Zelenskyy because he is a good person , a good strategist and knows what is going on.

So they attacked him in public and in numbers to discredit him.

America pivots to China

Russia pivots to Europe

America and Russia have done a dirty deal

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/mar/03/europe-trump-ukraine

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If Ukraine and Europe continue to push for strong US security guarantees, they have a small chance of succeeding and a larger chance of creating a permanent rupture with Trump. The president could conclude that his allies refuse to listen and, worse, keep trying to entrap him. Throwing up his hands, he could take the very actions that Ukraine and Europe most want to avoid: cutting off all US support for Ukraine and making a dirty deal with Putin. The damage could extend throughout Europe if Trump removes US military forces and assets from the region.

Can this worst-case scenario be avoided? A route is still available. The sooner Ukraine and Europe stop fixating on a US security guarantee, the sooner they can coalesce – with the United States – around a viable plan that contains two main provisions.

First, postwar Ukraine would maintain a large and technologically advanced military, trained and supplied by its western partners. Second, the US and Europe would commit to arm Ukraine heavily if Russia invaded again. Because they are doing so now, this commitment would be highly credible, unlike a heroic pledge to wage war on Ukraine’s behalf. Nato allies could also sign a legally binding document and stockpile specific weapons systems that could be surged to Ukraine in case of a renewed attack.

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What would you call it? In what terms would you describe the US intervention?

Maidan was a movement to remove Russian coercion and corruption from their political system. Yanukovych had been leading Ukraine towards closer ties with the EU, until Russia strong armed him at the last minute to pull out of the deal.

Ukraine after two decades of excessive Russian influence post independence (and hundreds of years before independence), finally said enough is enough and rose up in protest.

Hence Euromaidan began.

Starmer: Coalition of willing to guarantee Ukraine peace

Speaking at a news conference shortly after the meeting of leaders, Starmer said four points had been agreed:

• to keep military aid flowing into Ukraine, and to keep increasing the economic pressure on Russia
• that any lasting peace must ensure Ukraine's sovereignty and security and Ukraine must be present at any peace talks
• in the event of a peace deal, to boost Ukraine's defensive capabilities to deter any future invasion
• to develop a "coalition of the willing" to defend a deal in Ukraine and to guarantee peace afterwards

That is Starmer's four step plan for Ukraine.

There's a very clear problem in this plan. Everything is contingent on both sides coming together and signing a peace agreement.

I don't see how such a thing is even remotely possible in the short, or even medium-term. If Zelensky will reject exchange land for peace, and Putin will reject anything other than Crimea + the four claimed oblasts, then there simply isn't the prospect for an agreement.

This is not about national interests. This is all about the personal interests of oligarchs and billionaires.

Trump and Musk's interests are not those of the US.

Putin's interests are not those of Russia.

Xi's interests are not necessarily the interests of China, but this is harder to see.

The EU's interests are, however, much more reflective of the interests of the people of the EU.

Looking at US or Russian policy from a national interest perspective is mistaken, you have to look at the personal interests of the dictators and their regimes instead. (And I think Trump can be considered a dictator here.)

Hes not from 'nowhere' and it's completely implausible that a social media campaign would get you 20% swing votes in matter of days. Especially if he was out of nowhere. The claim (of the Russian funded social media campaign) has not been conclusively substantiated either in fact there is an investigative platform in Romania reporting that it had indeed been funded by the National Liberal Party. If this (annulling election results) happened in Russia we'd all be screaming 'dictatorship!'.

I dont know how coups work tbh but frankly I dont think neither do you unless you have 20 years of CIA experience or something. But what I do know is that western politicians were going in and out of Maidan making speaches and rallying. Imagine there was say an extinction rebellion march in London with like I dont 50,000 people and next we have Lawrow speaking there.

The way we casually apply different standards to everything just because we imagine 'we' dont do such things and 'they' do is staggering and I am dumbfounded how people just dont see this. Especially with plenty of evidence throughout history that 'we' do indeed do such things.