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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Defending RTEs puff piece on a con artist..

    There are none so blind as those who will not see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Theres an an article at spectator.co.uk. Ireland on a knife edge about immigration problems in Ireland .immigration has increased by 300 per cent since 2019 according to this article . obviously there are economic migrants people who come from countrys like Egypt because they can get work here and the standard of living is higher here.

    I.d like to see a program on rte about immigration with people from the left and the right giving opinions is there a crisis about immigration can we make changes to the system while being in line with international law.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    It was RTÉ that platformed him, that said, with 80% refusal rates and a third of applicants having existing asylum claims in other EU Member States it is evidently difficult enough to find a genuine asylum seeker to interview!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,553 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Not the first time RTE ended up looking foolish when they try to push their agenda without doing a bit of research first.

    Remember Lucas from Brazil on Upfront with Katie Hannon who had a big hard luck story and it turned out he was having a great oul time touring around Europe before arriving here to claim asylum.

    Soft mark Ireland where its easy to play the system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭Stephen_Maturin


    This is just so reductive.

    People can be unhappy with their state broadcaster reporting false stories/clearly being hoodwinked and not doing their due diligence.

    Or does that instantly turn you into a hateful person that wants to “burn” this guy upon the alter of anti immigration?

    What are your thoughts on the matter of this person and their apparent story?



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    What’s reductive is damning all asylum seekers because some lads cycled might be a chancer.

    People keep posting stories about him with no links. So I’m largely ignoring it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 272 ✭✭Geert von Instetten


    Well we know that 80% are refused and around 30% have protected status in another EU Member State, so it’s not all that reductive to talk about chancers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    The state broadcaster should be focused on facts, not the "truth" they're intent on imparting.

    When our media (spearheaded by the state broadcaster) spends so much of its time discussing how anyone providing coverage of current affairs outside of their insular group is likely engaged in misinformation and disinformation, it becomes incumbent upon them to then hold themselves to a higher standard and not put themselves in a position where they are caught out like in the case of this family recently showcased on RTE.

    By their own standards they have engaged in misinformation by presenting the story given by these individuals without doing their due diligence. They need to do better. They've appointed themselves the moral arbiters in our society, they routinely castigate the Irish people for not having the correct opinions on a number of topics and or not digging deep enough to gauge the reality of a situation yet here they are once again not applying their own standards to themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,567 ✭✭✭niallm77


    I see the government is to start charging working asylum seekers rent for their accommodation if they are living in IPAS centres if they earn over 600 euro a week. Jokeshop. They should be paying if they are working regardless of their income. If they don't, deport.

    30% of hotels out of commission tourism numbers down a significant amount in January (25%)

    Nursing homes all over the country "closing down" and all of a sudden they are IPAS centres.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,331 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Jesus, it just gets worse, so they're getting free accommodation and fed, with no bills and allowed to earn €600! That's **** sickening 🤮



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    afaik AS (while waiting processing of their claim) after 6 months could work, didn’t think we still supported while they where doing that. Of course doesn’t surprise me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭tastyt


    Yea let’s let in hundreds of thousands of people , mostly men by the way which we don’t talk about anymore , to stand on street corners and fight with each other in hotels . Let’s destroy our once admired tourism sector , and at the same time let’s listen to the morons that say go to the White House on st Patrick’s day and spit in the face of the country that’s keeping our whole economy going .

    The stupidity of the left really is unbelievable. The vast majority of Irish people are sick to the back teeth of wall to wall coverage in the media and constant statements from our leaders on


    Ukraine , Gaza , Palestine , international obligations , asylum centres , Trump .

    They genuinely believe they are on the world stage and some sort of example . Do the job you were elected for , sort out Irish people’s housing , health , cost of living , and stop pissing away our money on vanity projects playing dress up .

    Wasters have destroyed the country and it’s little wonder with weasels of politicians that we have that the world is turning to people like Trump , Orban , AFD etc



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here we go again.

    The people elect Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael less than 6 months ago.

    You blame the left!

    And now speak for the majority despite them having spoken for themselves via the ballot box.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭tastyt


    You think the majority of people in Ireland voted for our politicians to be obsessed with Ukraine and Gaza more than our homeless and sick at home ?



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The “left” are to blame? What a load of nonsense.

    We’ve had FF and FG in government since independence and you want to blame the left!

    Whats your solution by the way?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,481 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It must be tough to find a genuine asylum seeker if that's the best RTE can do.

    What a complete shambles.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Some people, a sizeable minority, just didn’t bother their hole voting. The majority voted for the status quo. Why don’t you turn your ire on the parties that are actually in power.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭tastyt


    Well my solution is too simplistic for the elevated left mind to comprehend


    If you can’t sort out your own country , you absolutely aren’t going to have any influence on Israel the US or Russia . Grow a pair of balls and say no to anymore refugees and get rid of the ones that shouldn’t be here asap . Look after your own people .

    Have some common sense . Strange to think that saying look after Irish people whose tax is paying for the services of the country instead of scammers from the Middle East is now such a crazy thing to say . But here we are

    Mod Edit: Warned for uncivil posting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think we get they the government the people vote for.

    In this case they did not vote for a government of the left.

    So you blaming the left is quite a weird thing to do.

    Because to arrive at blaming the left for the actions of the government seems to be ignoring all the actual evidence and facts of the situation.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Who are you talking about about when you say “the left”?

    Your solution has the flaw of being almost impossible. It’s the opposite of simple. We would have to withdraw from the EU and the UN. We’d keep the foreigners out, fair enough, but the country wouldn’t be worth living in.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Being in the EU and UN doesn't prevent us from quickly deporting illegal economic migrants posing as asylum seekers. We do reject 80% of applications, but we don't deport them, that's the problem and being EU and UN members has nothing to do with it. Except for EU citizens we have the right to have total control over who gets here, but we choose to not enforce it properly.

    I am a foreigner and it's not about keeping foreigners out, it's about having control over who gets here, we can't afford to be a safe heaven for every person leaving countries like India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. Yes, it's much better here, but we can't have them all living here.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That sounds exactly like a government policy and enforcement issue.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,030 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    I never said being in the UN or EU prevented quick deportations. It stops us kicking them all out, or whatever alarmist words were used in the post I replied to.

    I agree with the rest of your post. We need to focus on

    1. Quicker processing of claims
    2. Deporting people more quickly once their claims fail

    I’ve said it at least 50 times now

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,942 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Because that is exactly what it is. For whatever reasons the government and enforcement agencies are not promoting reasonable immigration policies and don't enforce immigration laws.

    And I made the point that there is no external agency, treaty or organization who prevents us from deporting illegals and undesirables. It's all down to us.

    As for the 1 and 2 to focus on, 2 is very difficult. We need to focus on 0 Stop people at the border. People from Georgia, Albania, Bangladesh, Pakistan, India should not be allowed to enter without proper documents and visas, because once they enter they are almost impossible to remove.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    So you would be happy with a solution such as Denmark's, where they have seen dramatic reductions in asylum applications, and haven't been asked to leave the EU or the UN, or other international body?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    That is a fair point.

    Yes, the SocDems and Labour would be bonkers, with open borders, welcoming anybody and everybody.

    But they are not in Govt.

    The blame lies squarely with the Green Party, especially Roderic O'Gorman, FF and FG.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,647 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    You have said that repeatedly, and I agree with you.

    I think everybody agrees with you.

    Yet the Govt don't do what you suggest, even though it would be politically popular.

    Why not? Either:

    (1) what you suggest is possible, but there was/is no will to do it (= Roderic O'Gorman, Green Party)

    (2) what you suggest is not possible

    I have called for claims to be processed within a week - is that possible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    O’Gorman deserves to shoulder most of the blame regardless if it was an all ‘government decision’. He had the power to bring some common sense to this. he didn’t. He can’t even stand over his own white paper and invitation tweets he sent out.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    'I have called for claims to be processed within a week - is that possible?'

    Considering it takes months and months now, even speeding it up, they couldn't possibly be done within a week!



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Fáilte Ireland said the total stock of registered tourist beds under contract was now just seven per cent

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/number-of-tourist-beds-being-used-to-house-refugees-fell-by-15-in-past-six-months-1716274.html

    I believe this has already been pointed out to you, but you continue to post false information



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