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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 02/09/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    Theres no war in Bangladesh people are coming here because living in a hostel and working here is alot better than living in a third world country If some woman comes here anf she gives birth here is that woman entitled to stay as her son daughter is an irish citizen



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭thereiver


    If there's 30 k migrants here it's certain that some of them will be criminals by the law of averages.people who rob phones or sell drugs .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    If some woman comes here anf she gives birth here is that woman entitled to stay as her son daughter is an irish citizen

    It's not thank god



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    if only the world was that simple. We have an obligation to process these claims. Hearsay from a reporter isn’t going to replace that.

    The problem isn’t that these people are here, the problem is that it takes far too long to process their claims.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭Bocadilloo


    Mod Edit: Warned for ignoring mod instruction re anecdotes

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,193 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Why would this be a bad look for RTE and the government? Granting asylum to Hazem Malaka and putting him up in a free house is a desired outcome for these people. Why do you think RTE publicised this in the first place? Do keep up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,089 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    It's sickening, a man who has residency in South Africa, a designated safe country but still comes to Ireland and makes a mockery of AS. This is why most of us are jumping and down at this pure utter farce

    Why couldnt he bring his family to South Africa?

    This is the government not doing their due diligence once again, Hazem should be stripped of his asylum and sent back to South Africa and beg for housing over there



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    This man is an applicant for asylum yes?

    His claim has not been approved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    Irish people voted overwhelmingly to remove the so-called anchor baby law but this is being ignored by the government which often grants scammers "permission to remain" based largely on the fact that they have children in Ireland. Permission to remain is a type of permission given to people who claim to be refugees but have had their application rejected. But they're allowed stay and become citizens anyway cos we're a great little country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    McEntee, O'Gorman, Varadkar , Martin, Harris, etc., have caused an enormous amount of damage through their immigration policies.

    It's as close to an open border as you'll find anywhere. Nobody deported. People gaming the system being rewarded with Irish passports and encouraged to arrive in their drove from the likes of Pakistan and Nigeria.

    The native Irish forced to pay for it with lectures on their "obligations" to provide accommodation, meals, doctors, transport, and every other service you can think of, to people using the IP system as a back door into the labour market. Meanwhile their own government fail them on so many levels.

    Billions being squandered and handed over to the cowboys who are only too willing to cash in on the IPAS jackpot. If there's ever an investigation into the management of public funds within the IP industry, what comes out of it will no doubt be shocking.

    And anyone criticising this betrayal of Ireland is labelled a Nazi by a vocal minority of activist types who are in fact the most authoritarian people you will find anywhere in Ireland.

    When things eventually change people will look back on this era in utter disbelief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    See theyve fooked over our young generation with housing, profiteering off the future of such. Now they realise that they need that future generation to carry on with such so they try to replace it by alternative because we cant afford our own future generation due to previous meddling and back room handshakes. I dont blame people coming here.

    Its the system created by greedy pigs.

    Correction is needed. Its these leeches that is the problem. Trump as mad as the dude is. Was voted in due to complete disillusion with the system. Even the latino regions voted for him en mass. So weird in my time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,649 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭_Quilombero_


    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,961 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod: Can posters read the OP before posting in this thread please. There is a clear instruction to remain civil in your posting when discussing this topic.

    Going on lengthy rants and soapboxing your points across multiple posts is not civil discussion.

    We are trying to facilitate an honest, fair and open discussion on immigration in Ireland but posters don't seem to want to do that of late.

    If it continues we are going to have to take an even harder line with this thread than is already in place and that would mean absolutely zero tolerance so if everyone can just dial the argumentative style back and discuss the topic in a calmer manner then we can continue as is.

    As always, do not respond to this on thread and PM a mod if there are any questions. Thanks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭DaithiMa


    He was was one of the main stories on our national station's news website being presented as some sort of victim of cruelty imposed by our draconian laws. 'Palestinian asylum seeker and wife and kids forced to sleep in car' was the headline, or something to that effect. A great example of media disinformation, I'm sure you'd agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    There have been rallies planned against open borders in Derry and Belfast. A lot has been made of "will the two communities stand side by side?" But I think organizers have asked flags to be left out of it. I'm not sure.

    Similar rallies in Dublin haven't been well attended in Dublin with the exception of one or two I believe.

    It will be interesting to see how much traction this gets.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/politicians-urged-to-unite-against-anti-immigration-rallies-amid-fears-of-repeat-of-summer-disorder/ar-AA1A1RuE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,096 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If the government's background check is as thorough as RTEs I'm sure he'll be granted asylum and appointed to the board of an NGO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,193 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The Palestinian (or is he South African? 🤔) is raising money under false pretences. The fact that his scheme is being promoted by the national broadcaster is of grave concern.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The wife and kids are obviously just pawns to be exploited for his own personal gain and if he just arrived as an asylum seeker with nothing how does he own a car, is it taxed and insured?

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    The whole story is being driven by an ngo or a friend of a friend of a RTE staffer. RTE reporters don't just go up to random cars and ask what is happening. It's blatant agenda setting, but when you his true background and the real story, makes you wonder what reports are manipulated.

    Anyone heard any more about Mount street protest, it's gone quiet from the media since it broke at the start of the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭tom23


    If one was to look under the hood i’m sure you’ll find someone somewhere connected or has skin in the NGO immigration game.

    Always makes me laugh that RTE hold themselves in such high esteem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,332 ✭✭✭CollyFlower


    Haven’t head of any protest... They've threatened to take legal action if an application to develop an accommodation center goes ahead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭creeper1


    I think we can agree that him and his family were not the most deserving cases.

    Living in a car in Ireland would be heaven for a lot of Gazans Vs having bombs drop on you.

    That is the thing. The legal obligation on Ireland to an applicant physically in the country means we are not getting the most deserving cases.

    Just by the shear distances involved we can say that the applicants have money and the ability to pay people traffickers etc.

    Look most of world lives in poverty. We have it Ireland as well. And Ireland would be classed as third world right up to the 1970s.

    There's essentially the potential for an absolutely endless number of applications from millions of people.

    To avoid being swamped any worse than we already are a halt must be called.

    It is just a question of practicality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Probably afraid to put their heads out in the open for fear of being labelled and doxed by far left X accounts.

    As communities up and down the country have discovered, iirregardless if you protest or go down the legal route, once rumours start that these centres are coming to a disused plot of land or derelict building, they inevitably go ahead in the end.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Tbf, they just reported the facts. He is an asylum seeker, his claim hasn't been processed yet.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 23,031 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    He’s the perfect vessel to pour all the anti immigrant sentiment into though. It simplifies everything if you can make one person represent everything you hate.

    He’s a scammer, using his kids for his own personal gain, driving without tax and insurance while wearing an expensive coat! Burn him!

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,321 ✭✭✭prunudo


    It was an agenda setting piece by the state broadcaster, and they got found out. It was either by design from them or they got played by the interviewee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    A strange choice for a poster child for the plight of refugees alright.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    RTE reported that the family fled the war in Gaza but it appears they were not living in Gaza. He was living and working in South Africa for years before arriving here to claim asylum. His youngest child was born in Egypt and he travelled there and brought his wife and children back here.

    He said ‘it’s not fair’ that they have to sleep in their car and the Irish are ‘heartless’.

    Does Egypt and SA have the same international obligations to asylum seekers as we have?
    Are Egypt or South Africa war zones?


    Edit: just saw that both SA & Egypt on the list of safe countries on the IRC website.

    Post edited by mrslancaster on


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