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Solar PV Hints, Tips & Troubleshooting

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭jkforde


    thanks folks, all it needs sometimes is to talk it out! cheers

    🌦️ 6.7kwp, 45°, SSW, mid-Galway 🌦️

    "Since I no longer expect anything from mankind except madness, meanness, and mendacity; egotism, cowardice, and self-delusion, I have stopped being a misanthrope." Irving Layton



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Would 5.5kw production be most i would see on 5kw inverter? Seeing it topping out at just over 5.5kw alot lately.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Do you have a battery? If not, that is likely the most you'll see.

    If you have a battery, and there is space in it (and your mode is feed in priority,) it will export as much as it can and put any "excess" into the battery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭newhouse87


    Nope no battery, oh thought once it topped out that was it regardless of battery, presume it would not get much higher then 5.5kw anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭ecowise


    We are getting a 22 panel ground mount system installed in a couple of weeks configured as 2 strings. The panel array will be about 45m from the inverter following a gentle curve. I need to lay the conduit in a trench and am wondering about 50mm ESB ducting vs 4" (110mm) Wavin pipe. Wavin also do a 60mm duct similar to the ESB 50mm. My feeling is that with the 50/60mm ducts it should be easy enough to pull the wires through but installer has a preference (though not a requirement) for 4" Wavin. The latter requires multiple 6m pipes being joined together whereas the ducting will be continuous with no joints. My preference is for the ducting with no joints. Has anybody had any experience of pulling wires (5x 4mm2) through ducting over this distance? Also interested in opinions regarding the choice of 6mm2 rather than 4mm2 for the wires from the panels to the inverter.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    45m of pipe? 4" all day long. It's a long pull and the 4" pipe is 4x bigger in cross section area.

    You have to dig a trench anyway. And unlikey you will be doing it by hand!

    Yes it will fit, in the smaller pipe but doing everything in the bigger pipe will be much easier



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    We are getting a 22 panel ground mount system installed in a couple of weeks configured as 2 strings. The panel array will be about 45m from the inverter following a gentle curve.

    hmmm, you might want to be a little careful there, or define in more detail what you mean by "gentle curve". Panels which are in a string, typically like to have the same light falling on each panel. If your string is on a curve you'll find that a panel at each end will be angled differently away from the sun. Depending on that difference, you (might) see problems. Couple of degrees would be find I think, but if it was 20-30 degree difference, dunno……

    It's not something that's normally done, you may require optimizers, but easy enough to add later I guess if on the ground.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    I think OP means the run from ground mount to inverter is not a straight line, there's a curve to avoid a wall/tree/path etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭ecowise


    Apologies for my poor phrasing! As slave1 pointed out correctly, I actually meant the wires from the panel array to the inverter will follow a gentle curve to avoid obstacles. My feeling is that the 50mm conduit will work especially as the end of the run is in an open field where there is good access for pulling the wire (even gently with an ATV if necessary). But I do accept that 4" Wavin should be a bit easier to pull through. Another issue is that the installers normally use 4mm2 wire (2 pairs in my case) whereas I thought that 6mm2 was the usual default. I need to work out the losses over 45m for both.



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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Default is normally 4mm2, and usually strings max out at about 10-13 amps.
    Losses would be minimal,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭ecowise


    A quick calculation using 6mm2 vs 4mm2 wires (panels to inverter) would suggest a voltage difference at the inverter of about 2.4V maximum for the different wire thicknesses. At a max power current of 13A this would mean a rate of loss per string of 13*2.4=31.2W or about 62W max for both strings. In general it would be less than this but how much less I don't know in order to estimate the kWh lost. If we assumed that on average the panels were operating for 8 hours per day at 50% of their peak, it would give a daily loss of 62*.5*8=248Wh (or 0.248kwh) per day. This is quite small so probably not worth fitting thicker wire?



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 7,015 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Its even less than that! voltage loss/etc is heat generated by the cable. so less current, less loss, and its a square too.

    P = i^2 x R

    So if 13 amps gave 31 w.

    6 amps would be 6w.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭ecowise


    That is true and probably the hardest part to guesstimate! (My formula P=IxV is the same as yours P=I^2xR). My fudge is what did I mean by 50% of peak and I took it to mean 50% reduction overall. I presume there is some data somewhere on actual performance in Ireland vs theoretical. In any event I am happy to go with the 4mm2!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭ecowise


    Has anyone got experience with Futurasun panels? I can choose between them and Longi 445W and the latter are way more common and have a good reputation. Some of the Futurasun panels are made in Europe which is something I would like to support but only if the panels are equivalent at least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭championc


    Nobody really will ever have two strings from different manufacturers but with the same orientation connected to the same inverter, to compare.

    You'd have to find a geek doing tests with an individual panel in their back garden with a micro-inverter and a WattMeter



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭ecowise


    I understand, an actual head to head comparison is extremely unlikely. Just wondering if there are any known shortcomings that have been reported.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Panrich


    I have panels and a 5kw dyness battery installed since October 2023. Everything seems to be working fine and I haven’t been taking much heed of it but I am noticing now that as the battery charge drops in the evening it gets to around 35-40% and then just bombs down to 18-20% within a 5 minute window on the solis app. Here is an example:

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    It is happening at different times but always when the soc drops to around 40%. Have I a dodgy battery?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Is the green line the export from the inverter? If so have a look for a scheduling issue there as you can see that you have some significant drain on the battery given the green and also blue lines, it appears to coincides with the battery event as described. Hard to tell through with no labels on the graph.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Panrich


    The blue line is grid import but I think that kicks in because the battery seems to overshoot its minimum soc of 20% therefore triggering the grid charging to bring it back up to 20%. Green line is battery charge/discharge.


    Edited to correct line colours



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Panrich


    Apologies. Switch that blue is grid and green is battery discharge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    Im seeing that 80% to 100% jump at around 04.30 now too. Odd alright. But tell me this: If 101% is 6kWh and you have a 5kWh battery, what does the inverter think the capacity is?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭bullit_dodger


    The 6kw=101% is misleading. The chart is double axis. The battery SOC is referring to the % on the right side, which has nothing to do with the Kw on the left axis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Panrich


    I think that may be the mystery solved. It seems to jump from 80-100% when the eddi comes on to charge. I changed the maximum amps to charge the battery from 50A down to 25A on something I read here but I think it only now ever goes to 80%. I've reset the charging to the original setting and will see if that fixes the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭CivilEx


    I had an SEAI inspection carried out on my solar installation today (7kWhp 16 panel ground mounted with 5 kWh battery) and in chatting during the inspection it was pointed out to me that the panels I have are "Bifacial" i.e. both sides of the panel can generate power.

    I still have some landscaping to do underneath the panels and he suggested that if I put in light colored stone chippings, there would be some benefits as the reflected light could provide an additional 5% - 10% of energy.

    Hopefully the tip might help some of you thinking of installing a ground mounted system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭10-10-20


    A nice ground-mount being shown in this RTE News article here too:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2025/0303/1499810-storm-eowyn-renewable-energy/

    I'd like to think that these are also bifacials. I wonder how long white paint would last under those given that Sligo can be damp enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭championc


    Even better if you can put a pond underneath



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,331 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    Hey all - I'm coming up to two years since getting our Solar PV system installed and in general, few complaints. However, the biggest one is a bit of a pain; for the past few months, the data shown in our Solarman Smart app has been truncated, and in fact the number of hours covered each day has reduced a time goes on. At this point, the app only shows data from 6.50am each morning (seemingly when the first rays of light hit the panels outside) until about 6.40pm (a while after the last bit of power is registered). The consumption for the rest of the day is not tracked or recorded in the app.

    No clue is this a problem with the app or the logger; I previously reset the logger in the attic but nothing changed. I also contacted the company that installed the system, Swyft, but they haven't engaged with me at all.

    Any thoughts on what could be wrong and how I can fix this?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    If there is no power to some inverters from PV generation then the unit is powered off, but this does not explain your situation as I've read it that it was showing data in darkness previously?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭championc


    Do you have a battery ? It sounds a mewhat like you do, as only hybrid inverters stay powered on 24 x 7 and only they have grid CT clamps which can track consumption.

    So if you do have a battery, the inverter looks like it is now ignoring it, or the battery is dead



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