Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

Any comments, Walsh

any opinions , walshb, on Musks rigout at the Oval Office and US cabinet meetings?

Surely there are bigger forces at play in the US that wouldn’t allow trump to totally dismantle the US’s standing in the world?

As long as I can remember people in Ireland have been complaining about the US standing in the world.

From marches against Regan and his Star Wars, to marches against Bush and people breaking the premitier of Shannon airport to people angry over Trump.

There was always a complaint about US imperialism and the US being the self appointed policeman of the world.

And now with Trump pulling back and making the US more isolationist people are complaining about that.

Essentially yes.

Reflecting on this “meeting” one day on, I’m kindof scratching my head here- as much as I admire Zelensky standing up to the orange idiot and his lapdog, I’m wondering why it came to this - whilst yes it was a set up , Zelensky could have been “diplomatic” and just waited to sign the deal - job done.

The fact he took this route, to me, means he didn’t want to sign the deal in its current form.

The only deal Trump had up his sleeve was a Ukrainian surrender. When the EU didn't fall in behind the POTRUS that plan was scuppered.

Now he has nothing but little shows to settle scores with men why he is jealous of.

Judge a man by the company he keeps.

Wow people complaining when America does bad things. People complain about America damaging the world not policing it.

Regan was wrong, Bush was wrong and Trump is wrong.

Trump is acting like a dodgy builder who charges five times the reasonable cost for their work with no guarantees that it will still be standing in a few years time.

It was a very badly acted/rehearsed setup by Trump/Vance. They both look like petulant children.

I know all the Republican politicians will line up with Trump through sheer cowardice. But how will this play with a large section of his base who grew with Russia been the Commie enemy.

It is obvious Trump is now siding with Russia, so will they all just accept this as the new reality.

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I don't disagree. But people are dying at an alarming rate and have been for several years now. The conflict will eventually end but none of those dead peoples families will have any comfort.

It is likely now all US support for Ukraine will be withdrawn. That essentially ends up ensuring the conflict continues to role on while the EU continue to build towards and now almost certain EU army as NATO is almost dead in the water(another win for Putin). How many hundreds of thousands of people will die in the coming years over what is essentially a landgrab by one of the biggest countries by area in the world?

What concessions have Russia made in relation to the invasion? From what I've seen the US have pretty much justified his invasion at the UN. Show me a single point in US history where they've spoken to any dignitary like this in a public space.

You keep saying Zelensky is in a weaker position so they can behave like they want. Trump in a matter of weeks has destroyed the US relationship with Europe. Yesterday just nailed it in further.

Also he pretty clearly does not care about the US debt. His current tax plans are set to drastically increase their debt, backing Ukraine is a drop in the ocean next to it. He's trying to cast Zelensky as a villain so he can justify his failure to deliver on any of his promises. He's an almighty piece of ****.

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/trump-tax-priorities-total-5-11-trillion

Trump simply wants to end the war. And that’s handing over the Ukraine to Russia and then taking whatever rare earths that Russia doesn’t get its hands on.

In what way could a president of a sovereign nations agree to those demands?

what exactly was achievable?

The whole disastrous monstrosity was incredibly unusual.

As an insight to how inept Trump and his ridiculous entourage are at the political game it was absolutely invaluable though. I'm struggling to recall another time where the White House had debased itself so, so, badly. Just when you think that Donald Trump and his lackies can't sink any further into the depths of depravity, they prove you wrong.

One can only hope that there are some Trump supporters/voters, at least, that are having some serious second thoughts after viewing that car crash last night.

yes. He’s a disgrace!