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Russia-Ukraine War (continuing)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Until I see they fully go for it, I won’t hold my breath.

    It’s about damn time we took this seriously and ramp up as quick as possible.

    We dropped the ball on this and subsequently we are at the bottom of the list when it comes to procurement.

    We should have started this the moment Russia invaded 10 years ago and not now when the US has told Europe to **** off



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji



    Irish Far Lefties would say - “But think of all the hospitals we could have built since”

    Everyone else 🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,309 ✭✭✭Guffy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Maybe use 3 or 4 billion of the apple money as a once off additional spend on the military with the additional money we spend per year on the military as well. Technically government could say this is a once off spend and doesn't effect taxpayers as it was money awarded to Ireland in a legal case. So taxes won't rise etc. to cover it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Earlier people were worried that western companies will come running back to Russia

    Let this article dissuade you of any notions

    even their “allies” in China who famously invest in every risky and questionable venture been staying out for most part



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    this whole ‘rear earths’ thing could be a real game changer for the UKr if it suits it to prolong the war. Why, Because the extraction will take years from the planning , agreement of same, tendering, development of infrastructure, shipping in of mining equipment and erecting of same , commissioning and , say , extraction going on for 10 to 30/years.
    so , who is the ‘ legitimate government ‘during all of this time especially if the mining is spread over the 4 4 Oblasts + Crimea. I wonder if this ‘Rear Earth ‘ thing a kind of a Trojan Horse equivalent?

    I find it mesmerising that in all the talk about ceasefires, proposals stopping the war, this rear earth agreement and suchlike there is no mention of where the border is to be in each case. For example, Ru wants it to be such that the 4 oblasts + Crimea is now Ru territory. Ukr /EU wants the border to be the pre 2014 one . Trump wants it to be the one that will extract the most money for him/us and this may change over time - depending on how the extraction is going!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm of a similar mindset. Much like his talks with Kim Jong Un, I suspect Donnie's main focus on peace talks with Russia are the optics and possible kudos he can glean from signing some kind of peace treaty. Problem of course is that Donnie doesn't really care about the "hows" or "whys" of any agreement, and since there's no real strategy beyond making Donnie look good, there's likely little in the way of a plan or any real bargening position. I think that's why Russia gave the appearance of stearing the narritive with the Riyad talks. The Russians actually have objectives, where as Donnie's people were likely just told to "get a Deal done".

    Thankfully, the pool of available adults (and by that I mean the bulk of democratic nations in the Europe and the world at large) know how to distract Donnie and keep him focused on the shiny tinfoil of mineral agreements and the like.

    What I am hoping for, and what my guess is Europe's strategy in this, is for all of this to be drawn out far beyond what the Russians counted on. The Kremlin likely hoped that Donnie winning in 2024 would bring a swift end to the Ukrainian effort and award them with a win. But that hasn't happened yet, and way the things are going Ukraine might be well up for continuing the fighting for a long while yet.

    As I've said before, and will say again now, victory in this war is about outlasting the Russian war effort. They are maintaining one over-extended frontline with an increasingly wasteful use of meatwave attacks and the sacrifice of nearly all of their useful armor. If the AFU can keep it up (possibly even with rear gaurd support from European partners in Western Ukraine) there will be a moment some point in the future (in a timeframe which is hard to predict) where the Russian frontline cannot be maintained, and will collapse. Thereafter they face possible rout all the way out of Ukrainian territory with the AFU's well equipped Armored Divisions and Airforce potentially pressing that advantage.

    The key is to keep Ukraine in the fight long enough for Russia to lose their ability to. Despite their population, there is only so much the Russian Federation can do when their very means of warfare crumbles beneath them. A guy in a field is just a guy in a field if you can't hand him a rifle and a helmet, or even get him over to where the fight it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    The whole minerals thing is interesting as it does the exact opposite of what MAGA wants, it ties US to foreign obligations which in this case is US security guarantees, that the minerals are mostly in occupied areas is extra interesting

    Notice how Trump said US wouldn’t send troops “on the ground” which is not what the Ukrainians want (they have plenty of men on ground) what they want are air and sea defences which US can provide without putting anyone “on the ground” and continued supplies of ammo and tech

    Which all goes back to tying Trumps hands, he ain’t the brightest spark to begin with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,735 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    If a current project is anything to go by, we can put that number at approximately one hospital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    While it may be of some relief to know that Trump can be easily manipulated back towards Ukraines interest it doesn't change the fact that defeating Putin is europes priority, because even if Ukraine and Kursk are the front line Russia has been attacking Europe with political interference for years.

    Trump is from outside the political space so his concentration is hand to mouth and just needs the kind of attention that nursing staff apply to patients they feel might walk off into a howling storm in their pajamas.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    I think we starting to see a unified approach to Trump by Europe

    They realised Trump says and does whatever the last person he met with talked to him, so there is a whole procession of ministers, presidents and kings heading his way to tie up his calendar and ensure Putin is not the last one he spoke to

    He already done several 180 degree U-turns in his rhetoric depending on whom he spoke to last in last month

    I think we should all move past outrage which the MAGA trolls seem to love generating and hire and army of psychologists to analyse and identify how to play Trump, he almost reminds me of a puppy, keep waving a bone and treats and petting him (well maybe not last part 😂)

    I would be very interested to see if King Charles get involved, Trump is absolutely obsessed with UK royalty and his British roots in his typical sad and pathetic way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If that's the case I think the status quo ante remains and America continues to support the Ukranian war effort. For Trump to be justified in his own mind in pulling the plug on Ukraine I think Russia would have to be seen to bend at least a little bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,794 ✭✭✭yagan


    It does remind of looking after a parent with Alzheimer's, we had a rota for checking in on them.

    I wonder if macron, starmer and other European leaders are drawing up a rota for giving Trump a daily "Donald, you're the bestest" phone call.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭threeball


    We'd get a whole half a hospital in total gridlock for that €3bn I suppose. So they have a point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    Trump (dictator for a day life?) be happy to get slightly above 50% on any vote in congress or senate these days

    Norway to help Ukrainians produce air defence missiles in Ukraine, they done same for artillery last year I think

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,735 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I take it Trump wants to continue with Russian policy and further divide the UK from the EU with the carrot of a trade deal that may never materialise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The newly established Drone Systems Unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is testing a domestically developed laser weapon called Tryzub. This was announced by the unit's commander, Vadym Sukharevskyi.

    "We can state that, as of today, Ukraine is, if I am not mistaken, the fifth country able to claim possession of a laser weapon. Currently, we can use this laser to shoot down aircraft at altitudes exceeding 2 kilometers,"

    This is quite something, this would put them on par with other countries if that 2km claim is true, as it would require a 50Kw or more power output, not to mention very precise targeting and tracking. Apparently a major announcement might be made within a few months,which I would assume would be about actual deployment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Konsberg is also setting up a NASSAMS factory in Australia. They believe their systems deployed in Ukraine have taken out around 900 targets with something like a 96% hit rate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,675 ✭✭✭Rawr


    It is well within Norway's interest (not to mention Finland's and now Sweden's) to keep the pressure on the Russians down in Ukraine.

    Thanks to Norway's unique configuration, depite the nation being very much in North-West Europe, Norwegian territory does also border Russia at the most extreme north near Kirkenes.

    Road-E105-map.jpeg

    This had been one NATO's land frontiers against the Soviet Union throughout the Cold War, the area is typically a preferred survival training area to use with Norway's national service conscripts and regular army. The assumption and planning had been that in the event of an open war, the Soviets / Russians would likely overrun this area and get as far south as the Lofoton Islands.

    However, things appear to be a little different. The forces that Russia might have used in such an assault are likely now entirely consumed by Ukraine, with a token Rosguardia force within the border area. So it is well worth Norway's time to keep the Russians focused south, in order to keep this area quiet. The Finns are probably thinking similar.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,063 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    On one hand you have Russian propagandist 💩

    On the other hand you have the last two ISW reports showing Ukrainian advances in Toretsk including geolocated footage near center

    Now one of my hands smells and feels eeeky for even considering the weight of Russian 💩



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭Field east


    I found Miriam o Calls interview with the Ru ambassador to Ireland very CRINGY. I could have told her the answer to EACH question that the ambassador was going to give. She also looked very defiant , red faced And overall appeared to be very uncomfortable. Her demeanours, the way/ tone used by her did not come across as objective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,287 ✭✭✭ZeroThreat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,152 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,555 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    And how exactly does one interview a representative of a war criminal objectively?

    Would you be comfortable being asked to interview him? Would you not worry about the retribution to yourself and your family if you managed to do a good interview that actually got the truth out of him (e.g. an admission that Putin is a dictator, that Russia is a mafia state, that they invaded Ukraine with the intention of committing genocide)?

    No, neither would I.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭poop emoji


    This is the exact same fella who repeatedly in the weeks leading up to the war blatantly lied to the Irish people in multiple interviews on likes of RTE and radio

    And the when the war started he continued to lie, repeatedly denying there is a war and gaslighting the population

    Interviewing a flat earther would be less frustrating at least one could agree on basic geometry and right angles being 90 degrees

    This particular Russian representative would deny he came out of his mothers hole (with a smirk on his face) if that is what his dear leader and supreme overlord for over a quarter of a century ordered him to do

    A better question to be asking is why the hell are Russians even being given any air time? It be like asking opinion of the Nazi ambassador to Ireland in 1944 on how many millennia he expects the third Reich would last or what prisoners in Auswitz have for breakfast



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    F you Trump. The meeting at the White doesn't seem great. Really not great, f u JD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,402 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Watching a video of Trump and Vance shouting abuse at Zelensky is excruciating to view. Fair play to Zelensky trying to fight his corner - it can't be easy to handle such a public attack.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,277 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Sounds like a mass argument has kicked off at the White house. All sides seem to be having an argument but no live coverage yet.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Vance seems way out of his depth and turning more and more into a gibbering mess every time he speaks.



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