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This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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  • #11312
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210442#Comment_123210442

    most likely bought as seen. No warranty. He may have took it as trade in etc.



  • #11313
    sk8board
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,562 ✭✭✭sk8board


    that Taycan is a super deal if it’s a straight car.

    Look at it this way, a 2021 taycan or a 2022 i4 m50 are the same price. Both great, but at that equal price I’d have the Porsche. The depreciation curve will slow on the Porsche once they’re below half price after 4 years you’d think - factor in maybe €5-7k pa for the next 3 years.

    Is the taycan is the new bmw i8 - a super deal in the second hand market, but one or two known risks



  • #11314
    djan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭djan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210575#Comment_123210575

    Good point but definitely have to consider the much higher running costs on a Taycan. Having said that, the Porsche is a leagues ahead of the i4 in terms of presence and value.



  • #11315
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210697#Comment_123210697

    what are the higher running costs?



  • #11316
    djan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,060 ✭✭✭djan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210704#Comment_123210704

    Off the top of my head things such as suspension, wheels, brakes and any replacement parts in addition to the much higher labour costs at Porsche vs BMW dealers.



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  • #11317
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210724#Comment_123210724

    ok thats more repair costs if something goes wrong, the usual consumables will be similar, tyres, cost of fuel etc.



  • #11318
    td2008
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭td2008


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210575#Comment_123210575

    I would say once they near the battery warranty the values will plummet massively. Just far too high a risk.



  • #11319
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210758#Comment_123210758

    Brakes, suspension, and tyres are all consumable parts. They will be inherently more expensive on a Porsche Taycan compared to a mid sized BMW.



  • #11320
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,591 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123211391#Comment_123211391

    For sure, but the extra costs are relatively modest if you do not go to a main $tealer. Tyres are almost immaterial in TCO, suspension work shouldn't really be needed until about 150k km or over and brake discs and pads are relatively minor cost and can be worked on by any back street garage

    I'm with @td2008 - the huge risk starts when battery and drivetrain are out of warranty and the value of the cars will take a big hit. For me the guts of €60k is still far too much for a Taycan, even a 4S with the bigger battery. In the UK they have been around the GBP36-37k for quite some time already. That is more like it. But personally I would prefer a much cheaper car out of all warranty

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #11321
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123211391#Comment_123211391

    most i4s will be on 19 or 20inch wheels, all will most taycans, what makes you think tyres are more expensive on a porsche 20" wheel v a BMW one?

    How often do you think brakes need maintenance on an ev that predominantly brakes using regen?

    Suspension probably is more expensive, but you are talking about a once off cost every 100,000 km or so you'd imagine.

    I am sure porsche will happily rinse you should you need to darken their workshop, so will bmw, i am not seeing that there will be some massive difference between the two, not sure what the mid size bmw comment is either, very little between the i4 and taycan in size?

    https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/bmw-i4-2021-liftback-m-vs-porsche-taycan-2019-sedan/



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  • #11322
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Your goosed if something goes wrong with the porsche, having 1 dealer in the country is a huge problem not least repair times, with the bmw you've 15 dealers to choose from, you could lose the porsche for a few months waiting on repair, i've experienced this 1st hand trying to buy a used one. Dublin wouldn't touch it even though it was in warranty so it had to go to Belfast for repairs. Even with warranty Dublin didn't want to know about it. I don't see any floor on the used prices of these, it's not a car you could take a chance on and hope you don't breakdown, up near 1000 for sale in the UK now with prices starting at 37k. You can get an M50 around the 28k mark but it was no where near the same cost new.



  • #11323
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,706 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123209847#Comment_123209847

    That's actually getting towards reasonably priced.

    They have taken a hammering most places. Here they just sit unsold.



  • #11324
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,591 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    The €700-800 Renault Fluence Z.E. finally sold yesterday. No idea why it took so long. A right old banger for sure, but one that will cost near nought to own and run and very unlikely to cause any hassle

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #11325
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123211877#Comment_123211877

    a few people on here lost their i4 for a few months waiting on repairs aswell!



  • #11326
    Buffman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,400 ✭✭✭Buffman


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123211960#Comment_123211960

    Probably took so long as it's NCT expired in 2020 (potentially lying up since then without being charged) and it hadn't got a straight panel anywhere on it. Very niche market for projects like that unless you want parts/doner vehicle, I'd imagine it went for a good bit less than €700.

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  • #11327
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,591 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212067#Comment_123212067

    Wouldn't bother me as long as they gave you a suitable loaner vehicle of at least the same standing / value with free unlimited fuel and tolls. Like Tesla do.

    Of course it is indicative of the quality of the vehicle and the competence of the service center. Both brutal beyond comprehension in the case of a nearly new latest generation EV like an i4, ID.4 or a Taycan. I have heard several similar horror stories directly from the owners about Taycans too.

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #11328
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Porsche said I couldn't have a loan car even if it went in for warranty work. The porsche needed to be bought off them originally, In fairness to BMW when ever I went in for a service they'd always give me a loan car car regardless of where the car came from.



  • #11329
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212160#Comment_123212160

    audi dont, even if you have bought new from them (at considerable expense) its just a general decline in service allayed with a massive increase in prices!



  • #11330
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,591 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212239#Comment_123212239

    I'd demand either a loaner or payment for a rental car. If not, straight to the small claims court. In case of course a car is not repaired within a reasonable time (months is not reasonable)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #11331
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,427 ✭✭✭✭User1998


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212279#Comment_123212279

    Your not entitled to a courtesy car under consumer law



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  • #11332
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,591 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212287#Comment_123212287

    You can expect a working product. If not working you are entitled to a repair, refund or replacement. The seller's choice. But if the repair isn't done within a reasonable timeframe and the seller wants more time and doesn't want to refund or replace, basically you can name your terms.

    And of course if you are more assertive than most other customers, chances are you get what you kindly ask for 😁

    Personally I could not see it happen that I bought a new car and it would be in for repairs for several months in the first year. I would say I would either be very well compensated for that, or I would have a full refund or replacement with a brand new car…

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #11333
    GSBellew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210724#Comment_123210724

    Parts for a Taycan are more VW / Audi priced than you would think



  • #11334
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,448 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212239#Comment_123212239

    Well there goes the etron gt idea, I don't live near a main dealer so I expect a car when going for a service or repair, the other half's volvo is in for a service in a few weeks, no problem with a loan car and mine is in next week to mercedes and no issue either, that's very poor form from Audi.



  • #11335
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,991 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212324#Comment_123212324

    Well that's my experience in Audi south Dublin anyway, who are basically inept all the way from sales to service, maybe others are better



  • #11336
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,429 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123209411#Comment_123209411

    I sat in on the auction yesterday, specifically interested in the ID7s they had listed and I couldn't really get my head around what they went for. €46043 and €47166 is effectively retail. The cars were the absolute base spec launch edition iirc with the small wheels. Sold subject too. Not outliers either, €40k and 41k were the hammer prices for newer cars the previous days out

    I did have a bit of a laugh when he tried to start them off at €60k!

    No rhyme or reason for what the ID3s and ID4s went for either. It's hardly all private buyers losing the run of themselves?



  • #11337
    JohnySwan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212160#Comment_123212160
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212239#Comment_123212239

    On the loaner, I always got one from Lexus Cork. Lehanes have always been top class to deal with and I bought second hand and not from them. Always got an automatic loaner foc even when in for servicing. Or they'd drop me off down town and collect me when it was ready.

    I just bought new from Grandons in Glanmire, same story there, loaner when in for a service.

    It makes all the difference, no messing around.



  • #11338
    unkel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,591 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212643#Comment_123212643

    Yes private buyers losing the run of themselves. Or money laundering going on as some people say, although I can't really see it like that myself unless you can buy anonymously and pay with cash (I doubt this is the case)

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • #11339
    joe1303l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,965 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212239#Comment_123212239

    Never had a problem getting a courtesy car from Audi for warranty work. I’d suggest you use a different Audi Dealer. You can also get a few days use of a rental car if you get the car towed in using Audi Assistance recovery service. Valid for cars out of warranty as long as they have been serviced by Audi in the past 12 months.



  • #11340
    dr.dundrum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 175 ✭✭dr.dundrum


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123210425#Comment_123210425

    do you know if the trader is trustworthy?



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  • #11341
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,065 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123212991#Comment_123212991

    It’s irrelevant on the credentials of the dealer when buying a trade sale car. You have to base the decision on the car itself.

    And that’s not for everybody unfortunately.

    Do the normal checks and then some. Ask the dealer why it’s a trade sale. Check the car properly. It could Simply be a trade in and he doesn’t want to stand over an EV, a bit like a Nadia mindset.



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